may I try to summarize the systemd situation? righ now, in factory we have both systemd *and* traditional init and this is to be kept in 12.1, so the choice between the two is *not* technical but political. * It's normal to have systemd as default *in factory* where users are probably able to cope with the possible problems * testers used to tweek with init files are invited to open bugreports each time systemd do not fit they needs. May be some more documentation and some help can solve the problem * when it's time to RC and feature freeze, the bug list about systemd will be scanned and if found sufficiently small the distribution team will take the decision to have systemd default for 12.1 or not is that right? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org