In Belgium we have often this kind of endless discussions but not about desktops but about languages. As you know there are three officials languages (Dutch, French and German) and amongst them two main ones (Dutch and French). A bit like our desktop, Xfce being the German language ;-) Some National Institutions have their name in two languages like the Opera in Brussels "La Monnaie" (FR) or "De Munt" (NL). To make everyone happy they've decided for the marketing and other public communications to use one year the naming "De Munt - La Monnaie" and the one after "La Monnaie - De Munt" and so on for years. As some KDE users feel unhappy that the Gnome desktop appears first on the list during the installation let me propose this: - For 11.2 lets place KDE first - For 11.3 lets place Gnome first - For 12.0 lets place KDE first and so on... And if another Desktop (Moblin, Xfce?) becomes mainstream, let see later. Of course, none of them should be preselected. My experience with firends is that if they don't know, they click on the first one. Hope that it can help positively to put an end to this never ending discussion. Regards to all KDE, Gnome and other openSUSE lovers, Djan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org