On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:22:30 +0200, jdd wrote:
Le 15/06/2011 23:17, Jim Henderson a écrit :
Obviously, maintainers have to make decisions based on the available information.
I think you underestimate the burden on members when a bad decision is taken.
No, I don't. But in order to make a good decision, *data* is needed. Not hyperbole, not guesses, but data.
Howmany times we had to explain "yes openSUSE sucks, but..." without having any mean to take part of the decision.
Welcome to the discussion, that's what this thread was started for, was it not? Frederic proposed a plan, and then the world exploded with people claiming there was no discussion about it. THIS is the discussion, people. We need less shouting and more factual data.
It's not possible to say "maintainer decides and others follow". The risk is to have no more followers.
Then provide some hard data points so a better decision can be made.
we have to understand than as openSUSE grow the non completely technical work grow, when the technical don't, and is also important.
Do also understand than of course, during discussion, most member do considere the developpers opinion as very important, but others opinions are also of some importance
To me, the opinions that matter are the ones that are backed up by facts and data, not the ones that seemingly say "the sky is falling" and seem to think that just yelling louder will get people's attention. The thing that will get people's attention is factual data. So test the thing in factory and report back on what works and what doesn't. At some point, we will get to a "go/no go" decision point for 12.1, and if the data at that point in the 12.1 release cycle shows that moving to systemd is a bad idea, then it seems to me those making the decision to include it should decide to hold off. But note that that doesn't mean it has to work 100% (nobody can test every possible test case, sorry Per, 100% doesn't generally happen *today* with any software product on the face of the planet), but it has to work well enough that the trade off between the problems and the advantages is acceptable. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org