On Wednesday 15 June 2011 09:08:20 Per Jessen wrote:
Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
Hi, <snip>
Sorry, that's apparently how the openSUSE community works - if we're not happy with it, it's up to us to change it. And I don't think it's better done by not discussing changes at all.
I'm sure that is not what Alberto meant. I wonder what the value of this meta-discussion is. I don't see how we have to ask for discussion? The maintainers of systemd and the maintainers of sysvinit want to have systemd. That's quite clear. Nobody has stepped up with an alternative proposal and offered to do better. So the decision has been made implicitly by those who do the work. That is how a FOSS community works. Anyone can step in and change the outcome and that has always been the case. I agree with Alberto that you seem to want to discuss everything. Is that just to wave your flag around and keep others from working?!?
This also keeps active people, those who want to see things done and not over-talked, away from the mailing lists, with the most evident consequence that lists become less useful.
I'm sorry, but how do those "active people" know what to get done if they don't discuss it with the community? (obviously there is lots of stuff that does not warrant much discussion).
"discussion" is useless if it's for the sake of discussion. If anyone has objections, he/she can bring them up any time and come with a better proposal and do the work to prove it's possible. In absense of that, what is there to discuss? Yes, that is a rethorical question and the only valid answer is "nothing". Nobody wants to stop anyone from discussing anything if there are valid arguments. But complaining about a lack of discussion while you have nothing of any value to say is just wasting time. I did blog about that recently, see http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/ - read it and comment there if you disagree.