-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2015 11:56 AM, Françoise Wybrecht wrote:
(I wrote a few mails about openSUSE. You are free to trash them or to "not read", but of course, I secretely ;-) hope not.)
So "is openSUSE a community without a community manager?"
Yes.
is my first "key project question",
as Joss was hired for that a few years ago, did a lot of articles, marketing, noise for and around openSUSE, he "did the job" (2011 was a good marketing year, no?)
So are you saying we need a person with the title of community manager to do marketing?
then Augustin was hired too did try to "reorganize openSUSE community with less success, he left ? we guess (even if he is still managing openSUSE group on linkedin)
Agustin does not work for SUSE anymore, but that has been a while and we as a community cannot really expect that SUSE makes announcements when people come and go.
then ??? no information on the project list ? no formal information (on what was decided)
And now ? Some of us have met Doug ... he was not introduced, wasn't he. as far as I heard, he was not hired as a community manager, did he ?
No, but again, why would we expect that personnel decisions by SUSE are announcement material on the openSUSE mailing lists? If anyone that contributes to openSUSE with an @suse.com e-mail address leaves the company should that be announced? Why? Should it be announced that we just hired a new person on the team I work on? Why? Doug is here to help with marketing, organization of events, getting openSUSE Beer orders sorted out and all kinds of other stuff. Does it matter what his title is? Can he not just be Doug, the great guy that happens to work at SUSE and helps out with the project?
in fact, we (member/contributors ... non SUSE employees) don't know who is "responsible" for what ?
We the community are responsible for openSUSE. Some of us in the community just happen to have @suse.com e-mail addresses.
(about "SUSE ppl working for openSUSE" - since the openSUSE booster team is no more ... ?)
And if there are specific issues the governance structure declares the openSUSE Board as the instance of last decision. The board is of course also there to answer questions when help is needed. The openSUSE Board also has an appointed chairman with an @suse.com e-mail address that is the tying link between the company and the community when that link is necessary.
is there a wiki page somewhere ?
Good question, search for "governance" on the wiki produces nothing but a Google search reveals a section about governance in the guiding principles. That section should be sufficient.
explaining who (from SUSE) is working for openSUSE distribution or collaborating to openSUSE project with openSUSE "non-SUSE contributors" ?
This sounds like you are now advocating for counting who does what, when I am pretty certain in a different thread you questioned the reason behind the monitoring of contributions saying that it should not be all that important that we count. Anyway, again, why would we need this?
who do what ?
People do what they are interested in.
Comment : it's a difficult mission (challenge?) to manage a community as openSUSE but it's very pretentious to believe that a community can grow and go over challenges without a "community manager"
Well that is debatable. I happen to have a different opinion. I think not having a person with the title community manager is a good thing. Does it make some things more difficult? Maybe. However, in the long run I expect a community that is more self organizing and stronger for i t. Are we having trouble with the self organizing part? In certain areas of the project yes, no question. Will we solve these problems, I am convinced that we will. Once we get to the point where we actually focus on the problems rather than trying to find solutions to the problems by making changes in unrelated areas.
(boosting, listening, communicating, helping, animating)
it should be an important question for the present and future :
is openSUSE definitely a community without a community manager ?
Yes it is. Later, Robert - -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU Public Cloud Architect LINUX rjschwei@suse.com IRC: robjo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVebe1AAoJEE4FgL32d2Uk+7EH/1hC6cArpDeq1E3hiU6Jo2TN laq+GwdYQikvIbl1dI1UaebYnZGMTRRBVF9ILqddRid0JNAmlgkYb7w3QgucsN7x p3bfcVhRvz/fzBiQnyhX0dW+dNg1cuA+SyfjpcqP8w8GVSFm7lr/PRR0UFFfKXGZ cLGQhhihaJTOKdD11D2lrCdtdoCZFZTWqkgiYqT7erbStfe99nUEggxnty1K8RSu qcrBRPViX93nUgjrAGBvpCelpuBrotC+YRQ14/rMklc7SR/VLGjxEwMm12b9kXa7 4PX8iXO4S4/0C0Vrvp0QK8OBwmbzfEJRNzWTxhpV/DFnVNKOw00/ofZteFk2M+A= =IWlZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org