Greg KH wrote:
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:45:01PM +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Greg KH wrote:
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 08:29:17PM +0200, jdd wrote:
Le 11/06/2011 18:39, Greg KH a écrit :
It should "just work" so there should not be anything you have to learn about, right?
wrong.
I had quite often to edit init scripts for adapt to local situations, so I don't see why systemd could be any better in this respect (it's not it's fault), so if these scripts are no more used I will have to learn new things
Of course if you need to customize things you will have to adapt, to think otherwise is crazy.
But for the majority of people out there, they never have to edit an init script. Heck, I haven't had to touch one myself for many many years now and I use Linux in all sorts of different situations.
From which one can only deduce that you do not use it in real life.
I'm sorry that you feel my life is somehow not "real".
Anyone using openSUSE in a production setup, will most likely have to fiddle with the init scripts at some point. openSUSE provides an excellent starting point, but it does not cater for everything. Here is a rough list of scripts I have (over the last ten years) either written myself or imported+modified from non-SUSE sources: stund start, misdn initialization, start iaxmodem, start-scripts for 12-13 other misc daemons, lvs setup script, lvs monitoring, postfix policy daemons, start multiple postfix instances, misc. autoreload/monitoring, special routing table setup, hp psp scripts.
It's as if people here don't trust the developers of the system that they use to do the right thing. And that's an attitude that is not very wise, or useful.
Oh, please, get off your high horse. Not trusting developers is indeed very wise, because developers most often live in ivory towers, blissfully unaware. I've spent a significant part of the last 25 years as a software engineer, I know only too well.
Then why are you participating here if you don't trust us?
If I trusted you to know what is best for me and openSUSE, I would have no need to participate here. I participate here exactly because I don't trust you to know that. I hope to influence what is going on, and perhaps even steer things in the right direction. I think making systemd the default in 12.1 is too early and not in line with our strategy, so I point that out.
The developers are the ones doing the work, and if you don't trust them, well, we have larger issues.
I don't trust the developers to dictate what is best for the user and the project, no. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org