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lifecycle wiki page
by ddemaio 16 Aug '21

16 Aug '21

Hi all, There was a recent post on reddit (https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/m1xl56/is_opensuse_leap_ready_to_be…) that made us take a look at how to present our lifecycle page (https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime) and info to be added to the marketing of Leap 15.3. There were several comments on reddit that can be summarized as there is a lack of clear information on how long the lifecycle of Leap 15.x will be going forward. When the info on https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime was originally written, there was some clarity on major versions lasting a minimum of 36 months. We know Leap 42 and 15 exceeded that lifecycle. It looks like we're at a point where we evolved and need to provide a bit more clarity for people based on the reddit comments I propose we change the lifecycle page to include the following sentences and include the info in the marketing of Leap 15.3 and beyond (for the foreseeable future): Leap *Major Release* (15.x) extends maintenance and support until a successor. At present, a successor has not been declared; Leap 15's lifecycle fully aligns with SUSE Linux Enterprise. There is a projection as of March 2021 that Leap 15 will extend to Leap 15.5. Both major versions of Leap 42 and 15 were supported more than 36 months. Any thoughts, changes, removals or additions to the above sentences. v/r Doug

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[opensuse-project] Can one manually become a "Member Emeritus"
by Stefan Seyfried 09 Aug '21

09 Aug '21

Hi all, after reading https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members, I understand that I can cancel my membership status with immediate effect and forever. To become a "Member Emeritus", with a "way back" into the community in case things might turn good again, I have to wait for the status request and just not respond to it. But the last such request was almost 3 years ago. IIUC I need to stop all actions on the mailing lists (might be a good idea ;-)) and packaging (not so good) for the bot to pick me up. So is there a manual procedure to follow to become "Member Emeritus"? Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Looking for a Code stream name
by Adrian Schröter 08 Jul '21

08 Jul '21

Hi, I like to discuss the upcomming single common name for repositories for "Code 15-3". Given that we use the Jump concept now with Leap 15.3, it makes no sense that we offer by default SUSE_SLE_15_SP3 SLE_15_SP3_Backports openSUSE_Leap_15.3 repositories in parallel for each OBS project anymore. The content should be identical and it contradicts the purpose of having a binary compatible base. So, in near future OBS will change it's interface and allow basically only to select one repository for "Code 15-3". You can decide to include Backports or Leap packages on top of SLE 15 SP3 as build and install dependencies, but no matter how you configure it as OBS user, the resulting repository name should have the same name. The big question is, what should this repository name be? People need to understand that they can use it on openSUSE Leap 15.3 or on any SUSE SLE 15 SP3 installation. Do you have any suggestions? thanks adrian -- Adrian Schroeter <adrian(a)suse.de> Build Infrastructure Project Manager SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany (HRB 247165, AG München), Geschäftsführer: Felix Imendörffer

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openSUSE Sprint on Thursday, July 1
by ddemaio 05 Jul '21

05 Jul '21

Hi all, Our monthly Thursday sprint is scheduled for July 1 at 18:30 UTC. We have moved the meetings to in https://meet.opensuse.org/bar. The plan is to go over the various topics listed on https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/websprints and revisit topics we've gone over in the past months. Feel free to add a topic. v/r Doug

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openSUSE.Asia Summit CfP
by ddemaio 30 Jun '21

30 Jun '21

Hi all, The Call for Papers for the openSUSE.Asia Summit is open for another 10 days. Please consider submitting a proposal at https://events.opensuse.org. Just login and submit the proposal. There are short talks, normal talks and workshops. You can view more info about the CfP at https://news.opensuse.org/2021/06/28/osa-cfp/ v/r Doug

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3 additional review rounds for the openSUSE Leap 15.3 retrospective
by Lubos Kocman 29 Jun '21

29 Jun '21

Hello openSUSE! The first review round of the openSUSE Leap 15.3 retrospective happened as part of the openSUSE Conference last Saturday. let's have at additional rounds, where we'll continue from where we've ended last time (marked with "<break"). Three rounds should be sufficient, based on the amount of data and our pace from the first round. Dates: June 22nd - 7-8am UTC (9-10am CEST) June 22nd - 15-16pm UTC (17-18pm CEST) June 23rd - 7-8am UTC (9-10am CEST) In all cases let's use our favorite collaboration space https://meet.opensuse.org/bar for increased outreach. Everyone is welcome to join! The idea is to screen share, read through the data, collaborate with reviewers on action items, etc, and hopefully, also categorize the issue in the way how we did that in 15.2. I'd like to make sure we process the data before the openSUSE Release Team meeting this Wednesday. Where I'd already like to provide some "summary" of what to focus on in Leap 15.4. The working document for retro review can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-Leap-15.3-retro-20200616 Best regards Lubos Kocman openSUSE Leap Release Manager

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Survey: code stream name
by ddemaio 29 Jun '21

29 Jun '21

Hi all, Per the conversation kicked off by Adrian (https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org/thread/…) there is now a survey available at https://survey.opensuse.org/ on this topic. Please submit your preference. The survey is set to close this Friday at 13:00 UTC. v/r Doug

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Gerald on this weeks DLN
by Luna Jernberg 29 Jun '21

29 Jun '21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqOdmb6XDOU Gerald on this weeks Destination Linux Podcast

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Re: 3 additional review rounds for the openSUSE Leap 15.3 retrospective
by Lubos Kocman 26 Jun '21

26 Jun '21

Hello team, we did have a massive gallera outage which effected also our lovely etherpad on last Thursday therefore we still have a backlog to review. Therefore I'm announcing two additional "morning" rounds of Leap 15.3 retro in our virtual /bar June 28th - 9-10am UTC (11-12am CEST) https://meet.opensuse.org/bar June 29th - 7-8am UTC (9-10am CEST) https://meet.opensuse.org/bar I would really like these to be final, as we've spent enourmous time on it already. So please expect some speed review. More details at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-Leap-15.3-retro-20200616 As usually everyone is welcome to join and help us to make suggestions for action items. Lubos On Thu, 2021-06-24 at 09:25 +0200, Lubos Kocman wrote: > Thank you Daniel! > > Lubos > > On Wed, 2021-06-23 at 16:31 +0200, Daniel Noga wrote: > > Dne 23. 06. 21 v 15:24 Lubos Kocman napsal(a): > > > line 586 Regression to Leap 15.1 and Leap 15.2 Outdated mesa, > > > again, > > > actually more than in Leap 15.2 . Currently not an issue for me, > > > as > > > an > > > user of NVidia, but considering buy AMD card, that can be issue > > > for > > > me > > > in future. > > > > > > ^ Please reference the existing bug or open a new bug so we can > > > follow > > > up on more details. I did ask Stefan Dirsch but he was not aware > > > of > > > anything specific. > > > https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports > > That is just bad formating from survey form, originally it was > > every > > point new line, but I see here, that new lines are lost. > > > > "Regression complain" was to disabling preempt. Outdated mesa was > > another point and only as fear for future, than affecting me > > nowadays. > > In 15.2 was already conservative with 2 major versions behind to > > release > > date, in 15.3 is even more convervative with 3 major versions > > behind > > (21.1 released in may, 21.0 in march, 19.3 in december) > >

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New package for Tumbleweed: MyGNUHealth
by Axel Braun 25 Jun '21

25 Jun '21

Dear all, I'm happy to announce that MyGNUHealth version 1.0 was released and is on the way to Tumbleweed. MyGNUHealth is a joint effort by the GNU Health and KDE teams. It is a personal digital health record with focus on security and privacy, that puts you in control over your data. It is designed to run on smartphones like the pinephone or the plasma-desktop. Find the announcement here: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/health-announce/2021-06/msg00000.html Cheers Axel

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GNU Health Live-CD
by Ish Sookun 22 Jun '21

22 Jun '21

Hi Axel, I checked the GNU Health wiki. I noticed that the page still refers to Live- CDs based on SUSEStudio [1] and the links are broken. Do you know if someone is still maintaining a Live-CD? If not, then we could probably update this part of the wiki to include instructions on setting up GNU Health on openSUSE Leap / Tumbleweed. Regards, -- Ish Sookun [1] https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/GNU_Health/The_Live-CD

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Can't push/pull from/to code-o-o
by Attila Pinter 22 Jun '21

22 Jun '21

Hi, This might not be the right list to post to so apologies in advance, but we're planning on moving the new docs project from github to code-o-o. Neal was kind enough to give us a gentle push and set up a repo for us, but for some reason I can't pull from or push to the project over ssh. Over https I can pull, but when I try to push: > git push --set-upstream origin dev > remote: Authorization Required > fatal: Authentication failed for 'https://code.opensuse.org/project/docs-o-o.git/' Over ssh I get the following: > Cloning into 'docs-o-o'... > ssh: connect to host code.opensuse.org port 22: Network is unreachable > fatal: Could not read from remote repository. > Please make sure you have the correct access rights > and the repository exists. Am I missing something? -- Br, A.

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Reminder meeting : openSUSE Board meeting (2021-06-21)
by Neal Gompa 21 Jun '21

21 Jun '21

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: openSUSE Board Meeting on 2021-06-21 from 13:00:00 to 14:00:00 Europe/Berlin At https://meet.opensuse.org/OSBoard Current Topics: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting

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Re: Leap downloads are broken ticket poo#94273
by Carlos E. R. 19 Jun '21

19 Jun '21

On 19/06/2021 12.26, smurfd wrote: > On 2021-06-19 10:35, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> >> >> On Saturday, 2021-06-19 at 08:12 -0000, Lubos Kocman wrote: ... > Hey > > this happened for me aswell. just had to check since i was earlier able > to download isos on release day. > > im getting redirected to : ftp.acc.umu.se and they do not now have a > openSUSE-Leap-15.3-DVD-x86_64.iso in their > /mirror/opensuse.org/distribution/leap/15.3/iso directory, they do > however have a openSUSE-Leap-15.3-DVD-x86_64-Media.iso (same for NET) > > just for your info. The problem seems to be that some of the mirrors do not have the files, but the download redirector has the wrong information and thinks they do have the files, so you get redirected sometimes to a bad mirror. Thus, as shown by my post, if you use a smart downloader aware of metalinks, you can download the things at full speed as I did. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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Leap downloads are broken ticket poo#94273
by Lubos Kocman 19 Jun '21

19 Jun '21

Hello openSUSE! seems like the redirect for Leap doesn't work as expected. People are reporting that they're getting 404 for All Leap downloads. Same for me (I get redirected to widehat.opensuse.org which then returns 404). Seems like this is a very recent issue. I did open the high priority ticket for Heroes as I couldn't see any public item in the openSUSE admin queue. The ticket is private until somebody from admins triages it. https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/94273 Thank you for your understanding and we're sorry for the inconvenience. Lubos Kocman Release Manager openSUSE Leap

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is there a matrix server run by opensuse?
by Mathias Homann 18 Jun '21

18 Jun '21

Hi, is there a matrix server run by opensuse, that i can use with my OBS credentials? Cheers MH -- Mathias Homann Mathias.Homann(a)openSUSE.org OBS: lemmy04 Jabber (XMPP): lemmy(a)tuxonline.tech IRC: [Lemmy] on freenode and ircnet (bouncer active) telegram: https://telegram.me/lemmy98 keybase: https://keybase.io/lemmy gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 F4DD 7776 E7D2 C042 6B8E 029E 13F2 C102

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Moving from Freenode to Libera.Chat
by Gerald Pfeifer 17 Jun '21

17 Jun '21

Hi everyone, as some of you noticed, lately there've been challenges around Freenode, the IRC network that has been home to a number of openSUSE channels for years. See, for example, https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/freenode-irc-has-been-taken-over-by… https://news.itsfoss.com/freenode-controversy/ Approached by several of you we discussed this with those, the board, and the weekly release meeting. There is consensus to move our channels to Libera.Chat ( https://libera.chat ), a new network many other projects are migrating to as well. With help from Antonio and Sasi I already registered the openSUSE project with Libera.Chat (which by itself is not a move yet) and Marcus R. and others are ready to execute the move. The plan of record is to move quickly. If you have any concerns or questions, please advise as soon as possible. Likewise if you support. Thanks, Gerald PS: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/4 publicly tracks this matter on the openSUSE side; feel free to chime in there. -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer <gp(a)suse.com>, CTO @SUSE + chair @openSUSE

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Thank you all for participating in the openSUSE Leap 15.3 retrospective
by Lubos Kocman 16 Jun '21

16 Jun '21

Hello openSUSE! I'd like to give big thanks to all of those who participated in our openSUSE Leap 15.3 release retrospective. We've received 605 responses which is almost 200 more than in 15.2. I'm grateful for the increased participation as it shows us that it makes sense to have this type of feedback loop. First round of public interview will be held on the openSUSE conference https://events.opensuse.org/conferences/oSVC21/program/proposals/3479/ Everyone is welcome to join us. We'll schedule some more public rounds on meet-o-o as well, as you can't review all of feedback + create action items in a single session. The outcome will then be categorized similarly as our *15.2 retrospective unless we all agree on some better structure. For those who are interested the raw data from our survey is already linked to this wiki page. https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:15.3/Retrospective Thank you Lubos Kocman openSUSE Leap Release Manager

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Swe translation about pressrealse.
by Johan Dot 15 Jun '21

15 Jun '21

Hi! I have a weary wobbly notice on openSUSE and forums. It seems to me that the translation was made by Google translate. Leap15.3. As a Swede, rubbish. No success for Swedish newcomers. Maybe about have a mirror(30-100Mbit)on my site I have been thinking. No I have not upgrade yet to 15.3. May by I will ask for membership When R:B are away. Best regards /JoNte

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oSVC21 Meeting: June 15
by ddemaio 15 Jun '21

15 Jun '21

Hi all, Today Tuesday, June 15, we will have planning meeting for the openSUSE Conference at 18:00 UTC. The meetings will take place later in https://meet.opensuse.org/bar. It will be the last meeting before the conference. I will give an update on the talks that have been uploaded and provide a status update on the event. If you plan on attending the conference, please register https://events.opensuse.org. Registered people will receive a token to use https://opensuse.venueless.events/ v/r Doug

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Need Volunteers to help moderate (oSVC21)
by ddemaio 14 Jun '21

14 Jun '21

Hi all, We are asking for volunteers to help moderate the conference talks. We would like to fill 10 slots. If you are interested, please visit https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/osc21mods and put your name next one or more of the times you would like to help moderate. We will have a Practice Day on June 16 for live speakers and moderators. v/r Doug

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openSUSE Board - 2021-06-07 Minutes
by Neal Gompa 14 Jun '21

14 Jun '21

Meeting minutes for Board call on 2021-06-07 @ 13:00 CEST Attendees: Gerald, Gertjan, Simon, Neal, Syds Absent: Vinz, Axel Guests: Doug, Luna, Maurizio, Onralp, Bill Meeting start * Gerald asks for additional topics from the community Agenda: * Moderator accountability: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/9 Simon would like to have a consistent accounting of moderation/bans for Board review Gertjan notes that the forums banlist is almost entirely spammers, trolls usually die out before bans/moderation has to be done It's also noted that this is the same in Matrix, Discord, and Telegram. Mau notes Discord moderation log is public already. Gerald restates the topic for clarification and Simon agrees with it. Simon wants a global (non-public) archive, Neal mentions we could probably auto-archive into code.opensuse.org using APIs of all platforms. Onralp notes Telegram has an API for this and he does this already with a bot. Simon wants the archive to note who did the ban and when and on what platform. Mau would not want the archive with moderator name public. Simon really wants the moderator info to contact for mod/ban review. Mau asks about the moderator list, Neal points out it may be impractical due to how mods are managed. Neal suggests a moderator lead for each platform, Simon wants all moderators and thinks we don't have too many. Gertjan notes that he's had targeted harassment as a moderator. Board agrees that we should have a global archive in one place for moderators to review and collect contact info for moderators. Further implementation details TBD. * Freenode -> Libera Chat for IRC: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/4 Gerald asks what's left. Simon and Neal note we need to complete the switchover. Gerald states a trite computer science phrase. "Every problem can be solved with another level of indirection" Neal suggests the Board needs to make a formal announcement and update all the Freenode channel topics with that announcement, specifically to avoid getting the Freenode hijack so that people *don't* get confused. Gerald asks Neal if he can handle it. Neal will write the announcement and talk to darix about applying it to channels. * Improving the Board meeting/attendance experience: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/7 Luna asks for regular notifications of upcoming meetings. Neal notes he and Sasi have been looking at deploying fedocal for other reasons and would help here: https://pagure.io/fedocal Gerald suggests the minute taker announce the next meeting as an interim solution. Gerald also asks that minute takers update the status of tickets discussed so we don't accidentally discuss it over and over. Meeting close 14:00 CEST -- Neal Gompa (ID: Pharaoh_Atem)

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Heads up: Early Feature request deadline for SLE 15 SP4 / Leap 15.4 is on 26th June 2021
by Lubos Kocman 14 Jun '21

14 Jun '21

Hello openSUSE! I'd like to communicate an early feature deadline for SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP4, which is on 26th June 2021. This deadline is for having requests reported in jira.suse.com, not for the actual code submit requests. This is very important to openSUSE Leap 15.4 contributors as 1/3 of Leap 15.4 binaries will be re-used with SUSE Linux Enterprise and therefore submit requests are accepted there. This is important to keep in mind if you plan to update Leap exclusive package which depends on e.g. a library from SUSE Linux Enterprise. This will be the most common type of request according to my current experience from SP3. I was personally a bit surprised to have this deadline so early even prior the OBS setup, as last year had it shortly after the first Alpha. Just to clarify, this deadline is the same for everyone be it a largest partner, community contributor or an employee. openSUSE Leap and Package Hub exclusive packages will have similar deadlines as described in https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap. We're aiming for the Leap 15.4 GA in early June 2022, therefore deadlines will only slightly vary from the previous release. We already have to feature requests open for 15.4 (usage of appx-utils instead of fb-utils-appx and update of python-pycairo to 1.20). If you're interested and have some open questions, feel free to pop up on Monday's meeting at 3:00 CEST ( https://meet.opensuse.org/FeatureRequests). More details about jira access and meeting at https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Jump/Policy/CommunitySLEChangeRequests#Weekl… This call is mainly to identify very obvious updates or requests for features that we'd like to have in SLE 15 SP4 and therefore inherited to Leap 15.4. We'll have a harder time to justify requests that cause massive rebuilds, have large impacts, or seem to be risky (package renames etc) later in the development. Here I'd like to clarify that SUSE Linux Enterprise uses a layered structure and in many cases packages have to be updated in the oldest supported code-stream. I recommend checking the true origin of the package (see referenced wiki). Larger or backward incompatible changes to these packages would result in package forks in SP4. Therefore it's not so easy, but the openSUSE release team is here to help you. Requests during later development cycle have a bit more complicated path but there is processes for it as well (https://en.opensuse.org/ECO ). These are just bit more complication to pass and it generally takes longer, so if you want to have less work, please request it early. I'm acting as sort of a partner manager and I'm going to help you with reporting and deduplication on the SUSE side. I'm processing requests together with Neal Gompa and others who join our call on Mondays. Neal and I would like to work on opening the request even further to the community (Most likely by skipping the jira.suse.com from initial report), but I'm bit afraid we won't make it new few weeks. If you're unsure, please reach out to me or Neal over telegram/Email or even irc or simply join the Monday afternoon call. As a side note, SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP4 is considered to be the feature release (Tick-tock model). Therefore, we have relatively free hands with requests of updates as soon as they are backed by some reasoning (I need this for x.y.z). Thank you very much for your understanding. Lubos Kocman Release Manager openSUSE Leap

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openSUSE Sprint Thursday June 10
by ddemaio 09 Jun '21

09 Jun '21

Hi all, Our monthly Thursday sprint that was scheduled for June 3 at 18:30 UTC has been moved to tomorrow, June 10, at the same time. We have moved the meetings to in https://meet.opensuse.org/bar. You can view the topics on https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/websprints v/r Doug

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oSVC21 Meeting: June 8
by ddemaio 08 Jun '21

08 Jun '21

Hi all, Today Tuesday, June 8, we will have planning meeting for the openSUSE Conference at 18:00 UTC. The meetings will take place later in https://meet.opensuse.org/bar. If you plan on attending the conference, please register https://events.opensuse.org. Registered people will receive a token to use https://opensuse.venueless.events/ v/r Doug

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