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[opensuse-project] Packaging workshop on OSC 2015
by Tomáš Chvátal 09 Apr '15

09 Apr '15

Hello everybody, as openSUSE Conference 2015 drives closer we started checking up our schedule [1] and noticed there are quite few packaging things. To not overlap each other and to provide better content we would join our efforts and do coherent session with all possible stuff planned in [2][3]. Anyway apart from being happy about nice presentations/workshop we would also like to know how many people would probably attend to this fancy tetrapack training day. If you are interested about hearing how you can do things correctly with pretty examples (and even prettier presenters :P) we would like to ask you to register on the talk [4] to determine the presence size we would have to keep on the event (for 50 people it is quite different amount of people helping compared to 10 :)). TIA Tom [1] https://events.opensuse.org/conference/osc15/schedule [2] https://github.com/openSUSE/packaging-workshop-2015 [3] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-packaging/2015-03/msg00068.html [4] https://events.opensuse.org/conference/osc15/proposal/564

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[opensuse-project] Henne Vogelsang the Troll
by Sam M. 08 Apr '15

08 Apr '15

Hi all, I have a problem with how Henne Vogelsang is moderating the email list. This week I got a rude and infantilizing message from him telling me to "stop insulting users" because I wrote the word "ass" in an email. This is an email list where people should be able to express themselves without fear of insulting others because of slang terms or harsh/brash exchanges. Free software email lists are known for flame wars with all types of different people saying different things. If it weren't for strong criticism or incongruent ways of thinking, free software would be insurmountably different than what it is today. My email never went through, but Henne still took it upon himself to write me an email that told me what to do (he didn't ask), and told me that if I do it again I'm going to have access removed. Obviously Henne is a very insecure person that only sees things in one manner, and leaves no dialogue open. Who the hell gave him complete access to the email list and why? I have to say that he's doing a crappy job managing it, and his socialization skills over the internet are dismal. It shouldn't be up to Henne to pick and choose what people say and which messages go through and which ones don't. If somebody has a problem, there needs to be a procedure in place which allows people to contact SUSE directly. There is no information on openSUSE's website that lists who's who, as far as who's managing email lists. I saw Henne wrote the rule set for the opensuse(a)opensuse.org wiki, yet it never mentioned forbidden language; it's also very poorly written. Is Henne the sole totalitarian controller of the wiki, rules, gatekeeper, etc.? Something else I found interesting is that Henne is a total hypocrite, as I found this on his website: "I’m chewing on something for a couple of weeks now and I think I need to tell you before my jaw turns into dust. It’s about the openSUSE Project and what’s happening with it. I’m heavily involved in the project. Since over 10 years I get paid by my employer to work in that project and I spend a lot of my spare time on it. It’s a huge part of my life, both personal and professional and I love it! I love the people, I love how the project is set up and I love all the cool results we produce together. But since a couple of weeks, I couldn’t really pin down if there was a single cause, what it was or when, I was in misery about it. It’s only yesterday that while talking to a fellow openSUSE Board member that I realized what really causes my grief. All of the sudden this project went from “Hey dude, let’s do cool things together” to “I have this and that opinion and I’m going to stick it to you!”. The whole project went from collaboration to politics in a blink. Now I’m sure all of you tin foil hat wearing people out there will start to spin this as result of some single event, whatever fits your agenda best, but I assure you it’s not. Sometime in the last couple of weeks this tipped over and we started to have discussions about all aspects of the theory of politics, we argue about human rights or quotes from Mahatma Gandhi, people put up motions for the powers that be, the structure and people are questioned to the last extent, alliances are forged, opportunities are seized to get even and a lot of distrust is spreading around. And there are two answers so far I have heard. One is that people say that this is normal. Because we as open source project always ask for equal rights, democracy and all these other crazy liberal ideas and that now we reap what we sow: politics. So however you are involved in this, like me for instance that stood up and took responsibility for nasty things nobody else wants to do, you have asked for this and now got what was coming to you. Don’t be a crybaby now, bitch! The other answer I see to this from the members of our project is to be passive. YAWN politics… I want to code, draw, write, fix, test. Politics are none of my interests and I don’t want to get involved. You idiots can fight this out, I just work on my stuff while you’re doing that. So however you are involved in this, like me for instance that stood up and took responsibility for nasty things nobody else wants to do, you have asked for this and now got what was coming to you. Don’t look at me, not interested! Both are equally destructive and neglect the reason all of us are here. We are here for one thing: FUN! Yes, remember please why you have come to the openSUSE Project. Because it’s fun to use the software for any purpose you want. Because it’s great to study how the software works, and change it to make it do what you wish. Because it’s cool to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor. Because it’s a great feeling to give the whole community a chance to benefit from your work. You know what’s wrong with us? We have forgot to Have a lot of fun! Can all of you who love openSUSE please go to a console, open an xterm, gnome-terminal or a konsole, do a cat /etc/motd and think about the output for a while? Then pull yourself together and stop doing what is robbing ALL OF US of the reason we are here! If you want to push through your agenda, don’t! If you want to stick it to the man, don’t! If you want to insist on all of your given rights, don’t! If you want to be pigheaded, don’t. If you want to be serious, don’t! Instead, remember to Have a lot of fun!" No only is the entire post a total troll post where he calls people bitches and idiots, but the entire post is written in a disgusting "I'm better and smarter than you attitude" and "I'm too smart and good to get into politics because I'm so special". I also found comments apparently from people Henne used to work with and they were disgruntled about his attitude, and you can find those on his blog. I obviously am concerned with the openSUSE project which is why I want to bring attention to this issue; Henne is not my boss, nor does he get to dictate what I say. Threatening to kill somebody on an email list is grounds for removal, but cuss words or tongue in cheek remarks aren't. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Henne Vogelsang the Troll
by Michal Hrusecky 08 Apr '15

08 Apr '15

Hi all, The Board have investigated this issue, including both the public and private communication between the parties involved are satisfied that Henne's actions as Moderator of our mailinglists were consistent with our projects Guiding Principles and the Boards expectations. Regards, Michal Hrusecky openSUSE Board member -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Minutes meeting today, next meeting 16th March 13h UTC / 14h CEST
by Hans de Raad 07 Apr '15

07 Apr '15

Hi all! Today we've had a very lively openSUSE Conference 2015 IRC meeting! We've discussed topics like videostreaming infrastructure for talks, wifi/networking and Travel Support. Next meeting monday 16th March 13h UTC / 14h CEST Minutes for this meeting are available here: https://progress.opensuse.org/documents/14 See you next week! All the best, Hans de Raad Robin Edgar -- OpenNovations / DevHdR Van Sevenbergestraat 49 2274PK Voorburg Tel +31 6 83578847 www.hcderaad.nl

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[opensuse-project] [ml-admin] Subscriber only posting is back on
by Henne Vogelsang 07 Apr '15

07 Apr '15

Hey, after experimenting a lot with non-subscriber posting and our spam filter we have come to the conclusion that we can't win that fight :-/ The wide range of HAM and SPAM that make it to our hundreds of lists make it virtually impossible to set up a spam filter with a good miss/false positive ratio. So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated. That moderation can take potentially a very long time, so better subscribe to the list you're posting to. If you receive mails by some other means (nntp or whatever) subscribe to the nomail version of the list[1] Have a lot of fun... Henne [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription#Nomail_subscrip… -- Henne Vogelsang, Mailinglist Admin http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] IRC meeting oSC15 date changed
by Hans De Raad (OpenNovations) 07 Apr '15

07 Apr '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi all, Due to Easter there isn't very much we can discuss right now. So we've decided to skip today's oSC15 IRC meeting and move it to next week. Monday 13th April at 13 UTC / 15 CEST. We'll update you on the progress through the ML. Any questions can be asked on ML as well. See you soon! Hans de Raad Robin Edgar - --- OpenNovations / DevHdR Van Sevenbergestraat 49 2274PK Voorburg Tel +31 6 83578847 www.hcderaad.nl -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQFNBAEBCgA3BQJVI737MBxIYW5zIGRlIFJhYWQgKE9wZW5Ob3ZhdGlvbnMpIDxp bmZvQGhjZGVyYWFkLm5sPgAKCRAodbI29i0B/plbB/4+19Vqmar5Y3CD8jRVmBU8 B/IWvRlBzBee4OtuVj/0wbFqAYm+ruaxjKR5CKopOAUOhuVo9DS89zN0X2MDLWPo dt91kac7y6aA9AtCTVQc/XLZ+SpuOE9E3XrSMPF8LnqOZcvPn+iOSpRP7QAuXQR5 rDv2L1pMtS9fwogfXwI0e7uDstUAz5l/KVlYN7F+C5f0DSfd8daEB69ebDdOXXR9 ZX11jdBpoO7Xl1reHb+BBpmAxcYx2uWWLbIp3PiTOyn2hcjch9z1HTk761sn38Vg Rqkqh16aPO28crrYlFAGPi8zDSA93kq120BOY/IT+Z38niOH3PwGMusvfMQSin8A =fZ9b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] opentech summit
by Peter Czanik 07 Apr '15

07 Apr '15

Hi, I was invited to present my project (syslog-ng) at http://opentechsummit.net/ As this is the first time I hear about it, I'd like to ask around: have you ever heard about this conference? What are your experiences? As I also see a kids section: is it suitable for deeply technical talks? Bye, CzP -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Evolution mail alias article
by Roger Luedecke 06 Apr '15

06 Apr '15

A couple of installations ago I had a good deal of trouble figuring out how to configure my Evolution client to work with my mail alias. I've managed to set it up with the first try, and thus feel I understand it enough to make sure there is a wiki article for it. Problem is, I'm not sure where it should go in the wiki, and I havven't started one from scratch before. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Minutes openSUSE KDE Team Meeting, April 1st 18.00 UTC
by Raymond Wooninck 03 Apr '15

03 Apr '15

=== Meeting 1st April 2015 === For discussion this week: 1 Transition plan to switch TW to Plasma5 as default. When, how, etc. 2 Issues that were reported regarding Plasma5 from the community.Changes to the default setup: Application Menu, Desktop Theme, etc 3 SDDM startup issue with Breeze theme. Solution, workaround, .. ? 4 Status KDE Applications 15.04. 5 OBS repositories that will be used for Frameworks, Plasma and Applications. 6 AOB, Q&A Decisions: * Transition to Plasma5 as default will happen end of April (depending on the readiness of openQA) * KDE Applications 15.04 will be released for Factory/Tumblweed together with the switch to Plasma5 * Plasma5/Framework5 and Applications 15.04 will obsolete their KDE4 counterpart packages * KDE 4 as a Desktop Environment will no longer be supported/maintained for Factory/Tumbleweed after the transition. * The default menu in Plasma5 will be kicker * Breeze will be the default theme for Plasma5 * The upstream KDE menu structure will be used * The new OBS repositories will be KDE:Frameworks (for Frameworks and Plasma5), KDE:Applications (for the KDE Application releases) and KDE:Extra (for other KDE/Qt related community packages. For each one of these repos there will be an unstable variant Action items * Think what to do with the Update Applet (Apper/Muon) ? Or should we drop this in favor of plain YaST/zypper ? * tittiatcoke to check with openQA team who should normally write new tests for openQA * tittiatcoke to check with coolo and DimStar what the limit is for the liveCD * shumski to contact the volunteer to openSUSE'ify the Breeze iconset * shumski to look into the default browser settings The full transcript of the meeting can be found at http:// community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-kde/2015/opensuse-kde. 2015-04-01-18.00.log.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] End of lifetime patches: openSUSE-release
by Lars Vogdt 01 Apr '15

01 Apr '15

Hi Maintenance I'm currently checking how the end of lifetime for an openSUSE release is handled - and currently I just see "release-notes-openSUSE" as the only package which is released for this. But IMHO the following packages should see a update at the end of a product like openSUSE 13.1: 1) release-notes-opensuse 2) openSUSE-release 3) monitoring-plugins-zypper Reasons: for 1: the release notes should contain a chapter / note at the very beginning about the end of lifetime for a product. This helps customers to quickly note that they are trying to get outdated information for an outdated product. => done. for 2: openSUSE-release "owns" the file /etc/products.d/openSUSE.prod - here you can add a line like this: <endoflife>2015-01-01</endoflife> This line will trigger YaST to add a popup window telling the user that his product is no longer supported (tested with openSUSE 13.1) once he starts the update manager. for 3: the monitoring-plugins-zypper package - once installed on a client - currently also checks for outdated OS versions by parsing /etc/SuSE-release (resp. the successor). If we implement the "endoflife" Tag in the product file, this package can rely on this tag and does not need updates any longer for this. At the moment, this package allows administrators to check via remote monitoring if a system needs update or is out of lifetime. What do you think? Especially if the "openSUSE-release" package see's a patch like the suggested one in the future, this can also be used by other tools. Should I open a bug report for this? with kind regards, Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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