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[opensuse-project] REMINDER openSUSE Conference 2015 next meeting 1 december 13.00h UTC
by Hans de Raad 30 Nov '14

30 Nov '14

Hi all, Just a quick reminder about our next meeting tomorrow the 1st of dec 13:00h UTC / 14:00h CEST on the opensuse-project channel on Freenode! To check the starting time of the meeting in your timezone see: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx?y=2014&mo=12&d=11&h… As discussed in the last meeting we've taken the time to put all the tasks from our project tasklist into progress.opensuse.org as issues, please take a look and if you have any input please add it to the issue tracker so that we have a central location for all information: https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/osc15/issues Here are the minutes of last meeting: Minutes: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-proje… Minutes (text): http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-proje… Log: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-proje… We hope to see you all again tomorrow! All the best! Hans de Raad Robin Edgar -- OpenNovations / DevHdR Van Sevenbergestraat 49 2274PK Voorburg Tel +31 6 83578847 www.hcderaad.nl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Handling of openSUSE "paper-cut" issues
by S. 27 Nov '14

27 Nov '14

Hi everyone, I've been an intermittent user of SuSE and openSUSE for well over a decade, starting back in the 6.x days if I remember correctly. I've always admired the project for its professionalism and broad scope. I recently switched back to openSUSE thanks to the rolling Factory (now Tumbleweed) announcement, and I also have 13.2 installed on other machines. I'm really enjoying the experience, and this time, I'd like to stay. I really want to see openSUSE succeed, but unfortunately I tend to see it dismissed by potential new users as "a nice distro, but..." followed by certain annoyances or "paper-cut" issues. This week's openSUSE 13.2 review on Distrowatch is the most recent example of such comments. I feel that openSUSE is fundamentally extremely well designed and executed, but I have also noticed the same recurring "paper-cut" issues year after year, release after release. So I'm wondering if anything could be done about them, or if the developers have any interest in fixing them. Without going into detail, here are a few general areas of concern that I often hear and/or have personally noticed throughout many openSUSE releases: 1. Ugly font rendering 2. Automatic installation of extraneous/unrequested packages, especially after initial installation. 3. Crippled packages meant to prevent compatibility with proprietary multimedia formats. 4. Difficult to install multimedia and/or proprietary formats and drivers. 5. Breakage of YaST modules. All of the above issues do have workarounds, and think it would be best for this thread to not get into the technical details of these aforementioned issues. But in general terms, these issues come up time after time in reviews and forum posts about openSUSE. So my question is: Would the openSUSE project be interested in working to resolve any or all of these issues? And if so, where would be the best place for me to bring up these issues and work with developers to make improvements? Some of the issues are not related to any one specific package, but are rather of a more systemic nature. In some cases legal/patent issues are probably involved. (Again, let's please avoid legal discussions in this thread.) Although I am not a coder or developer *at all*, I do have an eye for detail and polish, and I have a good idea of what typical users expect out of a Linux distro on the desktop. I'd like to help to identify and test solutions to these papercuts if any developers are willing to look into some of these long-standing issues with a fresh eye. Any comments? Thanks in advance for your time and consideration. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] opensuse mail redirection problem
by Carlos E. R. 27 Nov '14

27 Nov '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Two people (one an Alpine developer) have complained to me that they can not send email to me on my opensuse.org alias, because it gets bounced to them with this message from from a suse.de server: The mail system <robin.listas (aatt) telefonica.net> (expanded from <carlos.e.r (aatt) opensuse.org>): host tnetmx.telefonica.net[86.109.99.69] said: 522 - Failed SPF (in reply to MAIL FROM command) I just sent emails to my opensuse address from gmail and from another account, and both got through, so I can't replicate the problem, nor do I have full headers. I don't know how to investigate this, where lies the problem: on the opensuse redirector, on my ISP being too strict, on the sender side not supporting spf or setting data incorrectly, or what? In case there is a problem with the opensuse redirector I ask here first, otherwise I'll move to another list. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlRz/jMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WXSgCfWa33QBdC7iXhzlclZMat0dtX 4W8An1WipSWNmkAMaUs+S9x8NRYCxHn3 =MC5s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Meeting minutes oSC15 IRC meeting 18th Nov
by Hans de Raad 26 Nov '14

26 Nov '14

Hi all, here are the minutes of todays meeting: Minutes: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-proje… Minutes (text): http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-proje… Log: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-proje… Next meeting 1st of dec 13:00h UTC / 14:00h CEST on the opensuse-project channel on Freenode! All the best! Hans de Raad Robin Edgar -- OpenNovations / DevHdR Van Sevenbergestraat 49 2274PK Voorburg Tel +31 6 83578847 www.hcderaad.nl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE booth and miniSummit at SCALE
by Drew Adams 26 Nov '14

26 Nov '14

Hi everyone, I just want to make sure everyone is aware of our plans for openSUSE at SCALE 13x 2015. Not only will we have a booth, but the fine people at SCALE have agreed for us to have an openSUSE miniSummit at SCALE 13x. This means we will have our own dedicated openSUSE track as well as a Geeko Lounge and as usual, an awesome booth! As you can imagine, we will need a lot of help to make this happen so if anyone is interested in helping prepare (marketing, artwork, make contacts), work the booth or Geeko Lounge, or if you are interested in giving a talk for the miniSummit, please let me know. I really want to thank our amazing openSUSE Board for giving us the support to make this happen! This really should be a lot of fun! :) -- Drew Adams Member & Advocate, openSUSE Project -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [reminder] openSUSE Project Meeting tomorrow at 15:00 UTC
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 25 Nov '14

25 Nov '14

Hello all, The biweekly project meeting will be held tomorrow at 15:00 UTC in #opensuse-project on freenode. Everybody is invited to join and participate! Find out what time the meeting will be in your timezone: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=26&month=11&year=2014&… Agenda of the meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting If you cannot participate and want a specific question to be answered during the meeting, please add your question to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Questions_Section Minutes and logs of previous meetings can be found at: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/ Thanks, -- openSUSE Meeting Reminder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] firewalld as alternative for SuSEfirewall2?
by Mathias Homann 25 Nov '14

25 Nov '14

Hi, Request for discussion: Should we offer firewalld as alternative for SuSEfirewall2? I think we should... reasoning: mobile users (laptops) who use NetworkManager / Wicked for managing their ip connectivity "in userspace" would want to be able to have multiple wifi setups that end up being in different zones. I'm going to try to package the latest firewalld from fedora for openSUSE, and test it with 13.2. Progress report will follow in due time. cheers MH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Bountysource for openSUSE
by Roger Luedecke 20 Nov '14

20 Nov '14

Bountysource automatically creates teams based on what they see in Github, so we had one. It however was enetirely empty so I sent an email and was able to take administrative control of it. I don't totally understand the benefit of having a team on Bountysource, but I was more concerned with making sure we had control of things with our name on it. What can/should we do with this? -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Project Member and Advocate since 2011 http://www.opensuseadventures.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] opensuse-user not on gmane any more?
by Jim Henderson 19 Nov '14

19 Nov '14

I just noticed today that the gmane.linux.suse.opensuse.user group is missing from gmane.org - did the project request the list be removed from gmane? Just wondering if it was intentional or if something went wrong somewhere. Thanks, Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Project Meeting Minutes
by Richard Brown 18 Nov '14

18 Nov '14

Hi All, We had a nice long discussion during the Project Meeting in IRC today, minutes are below: * Tumbleweed Feedback was given about the timing of the merger, the nature of the announcements, and the lack of a broader discussion in the Project before the decision to merge the two rolling releases. sysrich (Richard Brown) explained that these issues were caused by a desire to have the situation clear for Tumbleweed users before the release, mixed in with unavailability caused by travel surrounding openSUSE summit. sysrich apologised, accepted the feedback, and agreed that standard practices should have been followed like involving the News team before making the announcement and starting a discussion/heads up to the opensuse-factory mailinglist at the earliest opportunity. * AoB * News/Marketing Teams It was suggested that the News and Marketing Teams should be merged. Arguments against this include the fact that the whole point of the News team is to allow private news items to be discussed before they go public, whereas the Marketing team operate in the public. However, this did raise the issue that both teams and many of our other 'non-technical' areas of contribution seem to be lacking lately, and ideas were discussed on how to get more people enthusiastic, contributing, and (also very importantly) contributing to the right areas where the Project needs it most Ancorgs asked for help filling in the Major Features wiki page for 13.2 at https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Major_features which is still incomplete * Board Elections Board elections are coming up, we need Election committee volunteers and candidates, see the announcement on -project -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Mint menu progress
by Panagiotis Pitelos 18 Nov '14

18 Nov '14

Hello guys, After the poll results (community wants mint menu as default), I tried with Benjamin to add mint menu. Here are the results so far. http://paste.opensuse.org/68234719 http://paste.opensuse.org/49027586 If you want to help us, install and use MATE. Report bugs so we can fix them. Here is our portal https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MATE IRC: #opensuse-mate @freenode Mailing list: http://ml.mate-desktop.org/listinfo/opensuse-mate Stathis Iosifidis: Have a lot of fun, Panos aka pitelpan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] REMINDER oSC15 project IRC meeting 18 nov 13h UTC / 14h CEST
by Hans de Raad 17 Nov '14

17 Nov '14

Hi All! Just a quick reminder about The biweekly project meeting for the openSUSE Conference 2015 will be held tuesday the 18st at 13:00 UTC and 14:00h CEST in #opensuse-project on freenode. Everybody is invited to join and participate! Find out what time the meeting will be in your timezone: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=18&month=11&year=2… The minutes of the last meeting, includion action items for this one can be found here: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-proje… We hope to see you all again! All the best! Hans de Raad Robin Edgar -- OpenNovations / DevHdR Van Sevenbergestraat 49 2274PK Voorburg Tel +31 6 83578847 www.hcderaad.nl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] MATE default menu: Mintmenu it is!!!
by Efstathios Iosifidis 15 Nov '14

15 Nov '14

Hello, We had a poll about default menu on MATE. GNOME main menu or Mintmenu? Here is the poll http://goo.gl/hzl53V Today is the last day (Nov 15th). The results are: GNOME: 13 votes (34%) Mint menu: 25 votes (66%) So the community wants mint menu as default menu. GNOME will be available to enable it. If you want to help MATE team on testing it, please go to https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MATE and see the communication channels with the team. Most important for us is to report bugs, so we can fix them. Ask us what and how to test (especially mint menu since it's something new). Don't forget to have phun, Stathis -- http://www.iosifidis.gr http://linkedin.iosifidis.gr Great leaders don't tell you what to do...They show you how it's done. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts...absolutely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Project Meeting Minutes
by Richard Brown 13 Nov '14

13 Nov '14

Meeting started by sysrich at 15:00:35 UTC. The full logs are available at http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2014/opensuse-proje… . Meeting summary --------------- * Action Item Review (sysrich, 15:04:10) * No action items from last meeting (sysrich, 15:04:18) * Non-publically accessible Bug Reports (sysrich, 15:04:40) * PJessen wrote the following into the openSUSE Project Meeting Agenda - Proposed change in Bugzilla policy wrt duplicates of non-publicly accessible reports. See my posting to opensuse-project from 13 October which went unanswered. I may not be able to attend the meeting tomorrow, hence the following: it is a little annoying when one's report is marked duplicate of something one cannot see. I totally appreciate having two reports (sysrich, 15:05:53) * Good discussion about the topic, some suggestions, but at the core, this requires SUSE to change how they work internally, so Richard to discuss inside SUSE (sysrich, 15:43:47) * ACTION: Richard to discuss options for making SLE bugs more publically visible within SUSE (sysrich, 15:43:58) * Tumbleweed (sysrich, 15:44:12) * Any other Business? (sysrich, 15:49:23) * openSUSE are planning to have a summit co-located with SCALE in Los Angeles in Feb 2015 (sysrich, 15:52:38) * Tumbleweed - Take 2 (sysrich, 15:54:13) * LINK: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2014-11/msg00120.html (sysrich, 16:08:33) * If you're an OBS Project Maintainer, please make sure you've read http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2014-11/msg00120.html and setup your OBS Project accordingly (sysrich, 16:15:26) * Next Meeting (sysrich, 16:18:13) * Next meeting will be on 26th November at 1500 UTC, See you think (sysrich, 16:18:35) Meeting ended at 16:18:43 UTC. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [reminder] openSUSE Project Meeting tomorrow at 15:00 UTC
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 11 Nov '14

11 Nov '14

Hello all, The biweekly project meeting will be held tomorrow at 15:00 UTC in #opensuse-project on freenode. Everybody is invited to join and participate! Find out what time the meeting will be in your timezone: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=12&month=11&year=2014&… Agenda of the meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting If you cannot participate and want a specific question to be answered during the meeting, please add your question to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Questions_Section Minutes and logs of previous meetings can be found at: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/ Thanks, -- openSUSE Meeting Reminder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Falsche Verlinkung
by Wil --> 06 Nov '14

06 Nov '14

Hallo Leute, auf der Seite: http://de.opensuse.org/Hauptseite ist hinter dem Bild, gleich oben, der Link zur 13,1-Version hinterlegt: https://de.opensuse.org/Portal:13.1 Auf diesem Bild wird auf openSUSE 13.2 hingewiesen … Nur mal so. Wil -- Ehrfurcht ist der Weisheit Anfang - Liebe ist der Weisheit Ziel. Diese Mail ist digital unterschrieben. Mehr zu Datenschutz und warum unter: https://www.verbraucher-sicher-online.de/anleitung/e-mails-verschluesseln-i…

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[opensuse-project] How do you feel while you develop software?
by Daniel Graziotin 06 Nov '14

06 Nov '14

Hi, We've noticed your recent pushes to daps-test on GitHub. Brilliant! We would love to learn about your feelings related to developing software. Are happy developers more creative? Do you need a manager to keep you disciplined? We would appreciate it if you would spend around 15 minutes to complete a survey on developers' feelings. With your help, we can contribute to improving development practices and conditions for software developers. Go to: https://www.esurveycreator.com/s/2da0bac We are conducting an academic study (Universities of Helsinki, Finland and Bozen-Bolzano, Italy) to investigate how software developers feel when they develop software. We are contacting you because you provided a public e-mail address in your GitHub profile. Hopefully, this did not annoy you. We promise never to contact you again regarding this study without your authorization. Your responses are voluntary and are kept strictly confidential. Responses will not be identified by individual. The information gathered through this survey will only be used for non-commercial, academic research purposes. Any published results will be based on anonymised data and it will not be possible to identify your individual responses. At the end of the survey, you have the option to leave your email address if you wish to be contacted for some follow-up questions. This is completely optional. In case you decide to leave your e-mail address, we will not disclose your personal information or contact details to anybody. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact Daniel Graziotin (see below). Thank you in advance, Daniel Graziotin, Faculty of Computer Science, Free University of Bozen-Bolzano, Italy (http://www.inf.unibz.it) daniel.graziotin(a)unibz.it Fabian Fagerholm, Department of Computer Science, Faculty of Science, University of Helsinki (http://www.cs.helsinki.fi) fabian.fagerholm(a)helsinki.fi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: Mentor Summit Experiences
by Artem Chernikov 05 Nov '14

05 Nov '14

Hi, guys! Let me share some thoughts (not too much though) about GSoC 2014 Mentors Summit Reunion. - Google made an awesome job making this possible for people to participate - this is really great selection of nice(mostly) people withing great environment :) - Summit itself been very relaxed and enjoyable. - Great America amusement park visit was hilarious! - Tech talk with Linus Torvalds & Dirk Hohndel (ex SUSE emp.) [2] was quite a nice surprise especially by fact that Dirk started his speech with words like "...back then at SUSE" - Un-conferenced format also brought a lot of nice talks and conversations - Really funny meme of "Most Desirable Organization" [3] - Unfortunately, because of the number of participants it has been moved from Google campus to San Jose Marriott hotel which is nice, but not the "campus", definitely. - It is indeed very nice opportunity to present openSUSE to broad selection of IT guys. I had great opportunity to make some conversations about what we do and how green we are :) - What I was missing and somehow that was my mistake - prepare and provide some openSUSE swag for the crowd. They had stickers exchange table, and chocolate/tea room. Stickers are awesome way to appear on many laptops around the globe. So next year that should be a requirement for our participants to take *a lot of openSUSE swag* with them and share that with the crowd:-) - I will add a wiki page to [1] about Summit itself - its traditions and guidelines for our participants(also will consult with Douglas on that matter) Ciao! [1] https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:GSOC [2] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0w3L1YCcAAZKXO.jpg:large [3] https://code.google.com/p/most-desirable-org/wiki/GSoC2014 On 11/02/2014 07:20 PM, Saurabh Sood wrote: > Hi Artem, Dominik, > Hope you had a great mentor summit. Could you share your experiences > for the summit? In particular, if an organization is doing something > different and really nice which we could use, that would be really > helpful, as we are going to start preparing for the next GSoC. > > Thanks a lot :) > -- Artem Chernikov DevOps Engineer SCC Team SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany +49 911 74053330 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] GNOME main menu or Mint Menu as default for MATE Desktop
by Efstathios Iosifidis 04 Nov '14

04 Nov '14

Hello MATEs, There was a question at MATE mailing list if we want to keep gnome-main-menu or change it to mint menu as default menu. http://ml.mate-desktop.org/pipermail/opensuse-mate/2014-November/000120.html There's a poll at connect (I think you can vote even when you're not logged in). https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/diamond_gr/45922/default-menu-gn… Please help us to decide. You're going to use MATE, so it's up to you to decide too. Have phun, Stathis -- http://www.iosifidis.gr http://linkedin.iosifidis.gr Great leaders don't tell you what to do...They show you how it's done. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts...absolutely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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