September 2011 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Proposal for http://en.opensuse.org/
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13 Sep '11

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[opensuse-project] packaging rules
by Alin Marin Elena 12 Sep '11

12 Sep '11

Hi All, in the last few days we had a small flood, a trickle compared with Noah's, on the mailing list about some package distributing religious content. The discussion got hijacked by personal views totally ignoring the fact that we already have guidelines for these situations... http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_guidelines#Legal Some examples of content which are not permissible: ..... Religious texts ..... We shall decide what we should do. 1. Scrap the rule or 2. Apply the rule. Alin -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net ______________________________________________________________________

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[opensuse-project] Religious and political views in packages
by Sascha Peilicke 11 Sep '11

11 Sep '11

Hello everyone, sr#81625 want's to add 'sword', a bible study tool to openSUSE:Factory. While that is totally fine, the spec file %description contains stuff like: +The SWORD Project is an effort to create an ever expanding software package for +research and study of God and His Word. While I don't care much for that particular bedtime story, others may well be offended by biased religious views (even more so if their's differing). Of course, this may equally apply to policitcal views or offensive words. I have the feeling that openSUSE should take neutral stance, be inviting and open for everyone (and we're quite good at that already). But I'm not sure if we should provide a stage for non-technical biased views. Even less so for those with a mission. Thus, the question I'd like to ask is whether we should allow such formulations or not. Do we already have policy for that or do we care at all? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Sascha Peilicke

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[opensuse-project] Re: Formal complaint
by Markus Slopianka 10 Sep '11

10 Sep '11

> I will say I find the above comment (among others) insulting to me > personally and hope the board makes note of my personal complaint. And I complain that I was singled out and that my mail address was the only one sent to the board even though I was hardly the only one in that thread who does not believe in invisible beings for whom there is no scientific evidence for. > C. S. Lewis being one of the better known converts from Atheism to > Christianity. > His conversion took place as an adult. It took place because he began a > project to explore the fictional nature of the christian religion and > expose it to the world. Instead he came to the conclusion it was valid Usually I don't care about religious people around me, just as I don't care for that bible package discussed in that mailing list thread (I was merely replying that atheists usually don't feel offended but supporters of other religions might feel offended for only including Christian software in openSUSE) but writing on a public mailing list and to me personally that Christianity is (quote) "valid" surely sounds like an attempt of Christian conversation to me. Not only was I singled out in the complaint, I now also feel like a victim of a conversation attempt and THAT offends me. Markus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-project] Religious and political views in packages
by aledr 10 Sep '11

10 Sep '11

Is this thread what it meant to be? Starting a discussion about not offending people with biased religious views, taking neutral stance, but using words like 'bedtime story', fairytales, imaginary beings, ... seems to be a frustrated try that would be better to never happen. I must say that It is a funny rationale, to not say tragic. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Michael Meeks <michael.meeks(a)novell.com> wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 12:50 +0200, Ciaran Farrell wrote: >> Some examples of content which are not permissable: >> * Comic book art files >> * Religious text >> * mp3 files (patent encumbered > > It should be pointed out that SWORD itself is not a religious text, it > is software for reading such texts :-) Indeed, I have no doubt it could > be made Cthulhu compatible (or whatever) with little effort. I suspect > including religious texts offends some minority of militant athiests / > secularists who make it a hot topic. Including such material in > proportion to its relevance seems entirely reasonable to me (as a biased > Christian of course ;-) > > Then again - if people are easily offended they probably need to read > the 'fortune -o' output in a tight loop until a healthy sense of humour, > and an appreciation for the ridiculous starts to develop :-) > > ATB, > > Michael. > > -- > michael.meeks(a)novell.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org > > -- [ ]'s Aledr - Alexandre "OpenSource Solutions for SmallBusiness Problems" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: Formal complaint
by Greg Freemyer 09 Sep '11

09 Sep '11

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Thomas Hertweck <Thomas.Hertweck(a)web.de> wrote: > > Alin, > > You are obviously not really focussed on the matter at hand, otherwise you > wouldn't make so many false statements. > > On 09/09/11 20:59, Alin Marin Elena wrote: > > Th... if you read from our set of rules... please read them and see what do > > they say about Religous Texts.... I did not see you asking the obs gods to > > remove the package for breaking the rules... > > I didn't say anything about the original RPM package. > > > plus that statement you refer to... if you apply simple logical inference... > > you get that insane people care... > > This just shows that the long anti-harassment discussion we had some time > ago was absolutely useless. You seem to choose to ignore offending > behaviour, others don't. > > > otherwise I wait for the board to tell us you reported one package for > > breaking our guiding principle... > > Why do you think I was the one reporting any package or any person? I > wasn't. You just make weak assumptions. Please provide evidence if you > accuse others of doing certain things, or stop making accusations. Thanks. > I made the formal complaint and stand by the fact I felt insulted to be called not "sane". Note that my complaint nothing at all to do with the "sword" package one way or the other. It was purely about the "sane" comment. My hope is the board reviews the complaint in private, not here. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer CNN/TruTV Aired Forensic Imaging Demo - http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/23/how-computer-evidence-gets-retrie… The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Bug open since March 2008 - jfsutils not auto-selected for installation
by Per Jessen 09 Sep '11

09 Sep '11

I have just now hit this one again, and discovered it's been open for a little more than 3.5 years: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=360689 -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] HELP!
by Jos Poortvliet 08 Sep '11

08 Sep '11

Hi all, Your local conference team is in dire need for YOU to help out with preparing the Zentrifuge. There is a huge amount of work to do while our conference is coming close. So when you arrive in Nuremberg, dump your stuff at the hotel and come to Zentrifuge to help us out, please! How to get at Zentrifuge: From Nuremberg Main Station take U-Bahn U1 direction to Fürth. Leave, after about 10 minutes, at stop “Eberhardshof”. From there just follow the signs. It’s a 7 minute walk. A cab ride from Nuremberg main station to the conference venue should be around € 12. See http://conference.opensuse.org/how-to-get-there/ for more directions. Cu there, Jos

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[opensuse-project] openFATE
by Steven Sroka 07 Sep '11

07 Sep '11

I was just wondering (and I say this with respect), how many you developers, that are on this list, visit openFATE on a semi-regular/regular basis? I keep hearing that openFATE is where ideas come to die, but that should not be true if _at least_ the core developers, packagers, etc. are looking there for what people want in the next release. Of course, as an open source project there should many people looking at openFATE and trying to implement the feature requests there, not just the people on this list. I ask this because I am in the process of collecting a list of many small things that (at least I think) need to change/get fixed in the next release. Emphasis on "small things". I have 4 options: 1. List them on openFATE, see if anyone decides to implement the changes 2. Email various opensuse mailing lists and ask developers if they have the time/interest 3. Enter bug reports (generally as an "enhancement", and only sometimes as an actual bug) 4. Do the changes myself The problem (in order, from above): 1. Let them possibly die 2. Bother core developers over trivial things while a new release is taking up everyone's time 3. Spam the seemingly few developers there with requests. Note: when I file bug reports for openSUSE 12.1 it takes days/weeks for a response, so I assume there are only a few people checking those bug reports 4. I would have to learn a lot about what kind of fixes are needed and how to implement them, therefore I would be on mailing lists all the time asking what to do So what do you think I should do? BTW, the kind of things I am looking at are things like: Should we auto-enable the desktop slideshow if the user has multiple wallpapers available? The cursor theme is set to KDE Classic but Oxygen White is used, so there is probably a config file problem somewhere. Bug report #716016. Did you know that default time for the desktop wallpaper change over is set to 10sec? :) Why is it that when I change the font from Sans Serif to Liberations Sans or vise versa, nothing changes? If a reboot is necessary, then why not for the other fonts? Is Kfind needed now that Dolphin has awesome Nepomuk-enabled search capabilities, while KFind takes 10x the time to find the same file or folder? </wall of text> Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [reminder] openSUSE Project Meeting tomorrow at 18:00 UTC
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 06 Sep '11

06 Sep '11

Hello all, The biweekly project meeting will be held tomorrow at 18:00 UTC in #opensuse-project on freenode. Everybody is invited to join and participate! Find out what time the meeting will be in your timezone: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=9&year=2011&ho… Agenda of the meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting If you cannot participate and want a specific question to be answered during the meeting, please add your question to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Questions_Section Minutes and logs of previous meetings can be found at: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/ Thanks, -- openSUSE Meeting Reminder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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