November 2011 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Re: Decision making (Was Re: [opensuse-factory] Kmail 4.7 is not shippable in 12.1)
by Lars Müller 09 Nov '11

09 Nov '11

On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 11:23:28AM +0100, Sascha Peilicke wrote: > On 11/09/2011 09:40 AM, Tim wrote: > > > > since I didn't got any answer I am sending this to factory too and just > > try to be straightforward. > > > > There are so many forum entries about openSUSE 12.1 and Kmail 4.7 in > > particular where people are complaining about it. > > > > Many openSUSE-KDE users who are no experts might think that openSUSE is > > "poor" if they ship such a buggy default mail client like this. > > And like I mentioned I think KDE users are the biggest user base of > > openSUSE and openSUSE is often recommend if people want to use KDE. > > > > Please don't get me wrong, I am not blaming, just don't make this mistake. > > I think incidents like this are the reasons for people to change the > > distribution. > Try a different mailer first :-) I know more of a handful KDE > contributors which don't use it anymore. AFAIR, almost all of them > switched to Thunderbird, some use Claws-mail. > > I believe we really should make Thunderbird the default choice. Bonus > points are: > > * Known to Windows users / can switch easily > * No breakage sinse >3 years > * Has a truckload of plugins > * Can integrate really well into $DESKTOP (needs plugins) > * Gnome would benefit too > > It's basically the same like: > > * We ship Firefox instead of Konquerer/rekonq and Epiphany > * We ship LibreOffice instead of KOffice and Gnome-Office > * We ship systemd (and sysvinit for an interim period) instead of > upstart, bsd-init and all the others. > > These where all strong decisions, but they show a certain vision for > openSUSE. Having a vision is surely better that > we-package-whatever-crap-upstream-invents (tm). Vision means focus, > focus means concentrating on doing one thing good instead everything in > a mediocre way. Full ack. And I give this even if I'm a big fan of sysvinit. But on the long term this will not help the project to deliver a modern system. From a well working system I expect to get one application to address one purpose right. Think why so many former and long time Linux users nowadays are running a system from Apple. On the one side they don't care about the license and on the other side it looks like they get a well working system. At least better working than the stuff we offer. And who does the same? Ubuntu! And the Benevolent Dictator for Life (BDFL) tries to drive the project from the license point of view into the same direction where Apple already is. With all these many opportunities we offer we make the life sucking hard to our users. And this doesn't only to beginners. I'm quite sure we'll never see this changing. Cause all the religious fights make it impossible to move one step back, monitor the situation without emotions, and to make a reasonable decision. I consider it quite good to have all the opportunities the amount of Open Source Software offers. But to gain more market share based on the amount of users it's counterproductive. Longe life KDE, Gnome, and any other DE. But the winner at the end unfortunately will not be an Open Source Software based operating system. With this reply I'm trying to relocate the thread to opensuse-project as this discussion isn't an issue of opensuse-factory. Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

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[opensuse-project] [boosters] Standup 2011-11-07
by Henne Vogelsang 07 Nov '11

07 Nov '11

Hey, these are the meeting minutes for the standup meeting of the openSUSE Boosters. ------- General ------- * Trying out a new tools for managing our milestones Everybody signs up for a trello.com account. We use trello for the next milestone to test it. Here is how we want to use it: * Milestones are boards * No goals anymore * Stories are cards * Stacks are status * Our next milestone will most likely be to boost the appstream team ------- Standup ------- Name * What have I done this sprint for the milestone * What do I plan to do next sprint for the milestone * What kept/keeps me from doing something for the milestone Robert * Worked on the greeter/new firefox start page * Work on the greeter/new firefox start page * Vacation cwh * Worked on the German translations for YaST * Check with coolo about the German tool translations and do them. Help Tom with the screencast goal * Vacation/Holidays Nanuk * German Translations for YaST * German Translations for YaST * Vacation/Holidays. Discussed the artwork portal with the team Ismail * Bug triaging * Bug fixing/prepare first updates * Setting up KDE repos for 12.1 Pavol * nothing * Work on the Product Highlights page * Helped to fixed a kernel bugs, worked on a mysql update Tom * nothing * screencast howto/toolkit/screencast * Vacation, wiki update/switch, OBS/fate patches Vuntz * Fixing bugs/releasing updates * bug triaging, push some more updates, clear up the update situation with the maintainers and Coolo * moving and all the administrative stuff that comes with it Max * Bug fixing, Bug triaging * Bug fixing, Bug triaging * nothing Klaas * Worked on the greeter/start page * Work in the feedback for the page * nothing Henne * nothing * Finish the advertising goal. Write the reviewers guide * Vacation/Holidays -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] help promote openSUSE 12.1!
by Jos Poortvliet 03 Nov '11

03 Nov '11

Heya all, I know you're all busy getting this release out. But if you want to take a break from packaging & coding, maybe - MAYBE you like to spend a bit of time on marketing and promo :D As you might have read on news.opensuse.org we invite you to help out with the promotion of openSUSE 12.1: http://bit.ly/svY0Is There are plenty of ways you can give this new release some extra visibility, be it by tweeting, putting stuff on facebook, your blog or in other places. Moreover, we can use your help with writing the http://ietherpad.com/12-1-release-notes Finally, we'd like to ask for help creating screencasts and video's of openSUSE 12.1. I believe the boosters promised to make a how-to and I've seen some stuff in the opensuse/artwork repository, but even without that I'm sure many of you are still quite able to create a screencast of some cool feature you worked on. We can publish those on our blip.tv account (syndicates to youtube and planet.opensuse.org) and of course they can be referenced and used in our release announcement and articles. Cheers and thanks, your marketing team

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[opensuse-project] Will you party?
by Jos Poortvliet 02 Nov '11

02 Nov '11

Heya all, In case you didn't (yet) see the article on news: http://news.opensuse.org/2011/11/02/will-you-party/ Yes, it's time to start thinking about release parties. As usual - anyone can organize them and they can be anything from a picnic to a full blown rock concert! And as extra treat, we have some goodies for you this year. Yup, yup, IF you organize a party late enough (2-4 weeks after the release) we will do what we can to get you a box of goodies in time. See http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Launch_parties for more info. Make sure you have a lot of fun! /the marketing team

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[opensuse-project] planetsuse.org -> planet.opensuse.org
by Pascal Bleser 02 Nov '11

02 Nov '11

As some of you might have noticed already (and I've certainly been prodded about it a few times in the last few days :)), planetsuse.org is down. The reason is that that domain name is not under our control. It is (or was) owned by someone who has left the project since many years (5 or 6 if I remember correctly) and we tried to contact him a few years ago to transfer the domain, but to no avail. So please forget about that URL, and use the following URL instead: http://planet.opensuse.org As a reminder, for anything regarding our planet aggregator, please contact admin(a)opensuse.org (or me directly, but it's better to poke the that list instead). cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser /\\ http://opensuse.org -- we haz green _\_v http://fosdem.org -- we haz conf

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[opensuse-project] [boosters] kanban board
by Thomas Schmidt 02 Nov '11

02 Nov '11

Hi all, as we had the request to find an open-source alternative to trello[1] that we can host ourselves I found kanban-board: http://code.google.com/p/kanban-board/ and installed a demo on my machine: http://guybrush.suse.de/?page=project&id=9 I think trello is much better, as kanban-board is missing some features of it such as: - assigning tasks to multiple users - commenting, voting, adding attachments to tasks - adding a checklist, labels to a task - setting a duedate Sending this here, as I won't be able to attend our meeting on monday. Have a nice weekend! Greetings [1] https://trello.com/board/obs-upstream-attraction/4e96a89544326f00003b4460 -- Thomas Schmidt (tom [at] opensuse.org) openSUSE Boosters Team "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (11.03.1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [reminder] openSUSE Project Meeting tomorrow at 18:00 UTC
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 01 Nov '11

01 Nov '11

Hello all, The biweekly project meeting will be held tomorrow at 18:00 UTC in #opensuse-project on freenode. Everybody is invited to join and participate! Find out what time the meeting will be in your timezone: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=2&month=11&year=2011&h… Agenda of the meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting If you cannot participate and want a specific question to be answered during the meeting, please add your question to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Questions_Section Minutes and logs of previous meetings can be found at: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/ Thanks, -- openSUSE Meeting Reminder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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