September 2010 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-contrib] Moving new packages to Factory instead of Contrib?
by Peter Linnell 28 Sep '10

28 Sep '10

On 9/27/10 8:15 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any reason we still accept new packages in Contrib, instead of > pushing the submitters to submit them to the right devel projects, and > then to Factory? > > Vincent > In the absence of any clear decision or policy that I am aware of, I have been reviewing and accepting packages if they are OK from legal and quality standards. I agree we should start pushing these to the correct devel projects, but we then should announce the policy and also update the various wiki pages, as well as an announcement on news.o.o One of the things is to clearly step by step document the workflow and QA criteria. Thanks, Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Science and Education repos/ Scientific packages
by Alin Marin Elena 24 Sep '10

24 Sep '10

On Thursday 16 September 2010 19:49:26 Thomas Hertweck wrote: > On 16/09/10 11:17, Alin Marin Elena wrote: > > [...] > > First I would like to know what is the Education repo and what is the > > science repo.. > > which of them would be the best place to push scientific packages. > > Could you give examples of what you would typically classify as > "scientific packages"? Tools like "octave", "gnuplot" etc are part > of the standard distribution as far as I know. These are tools that > I would classify as "general purpose science tools". I will give you example of only few packages from my immediate area of research. They may look obscure to you and a lot of other people but keep in mind that linux distros are used almost exclusively in science research labs. One of the point that weighs a lot in what distro is installed by the admins is the availability of these obscure packages... cp2k,gromacs,octopus, abinit, alps and the list can continue and if on top of this you add that they come in 4 flavours usually (serial, mpi, openmp and mpi/openmp). You can easily harvest the list of packages opensource installed on different supercomputing sites. Alin -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA http://alin.elenaworld.net http://www.google.com/profiles/alinm.elena alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________

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[opensuse-project] Collaboration across Borders: Let's take that chance!
by Thomas Thym 23 Sep '10

23 Sep '10

Hi, As you surely know, Mandriva Linux is forked [1, 2, 3]. The fork is named Mageia [4]. Imho we (the Linux / Open Source / Free Software Community) have far too much distros [5] and we split our forces unnecessarily. I think the title of the openSUSE conference this year is brilliant: Collaboration across Borders [6] This is exactly what is needed. And here is our chance. The Mageia contributors are looking for a new home: an open, democratic and independent community. This is an excellent time to reach out a helping hand to our friends and offer them collaboration or even a new home. I don' know much about the technological differences (at least they use rpm, too) but from a strategic pov that would rock the open source world. Both projects are moving. Mageia just started and openSUSE is at a big step of change (strategy discussion), too. So it is possible that both projects can find the things they need. What we could do: - We can offer infrastructure (OBS as Build Service they are looking for, our wikis etc.) - Invite them to the openSUSE conference. Be spontaneous and offer them a place. If it helps, skip my talk. - Let's discuss how we could improve the collaboration. - Let them participate in the strategy discussion immediately. - If they join integrate them in the board. An essential step for them will be an independent openSUSE foundation / e.V. (because that is the reason they are leaving Mandriva). Building a community from scratch is a lot of work that could be saved. We have so much in common and united we are both stronger. If we could succeed that will be a strong signal to the world outside. So let's talk to them, let's invite them to cooperate and ask them what they would need to be able to join us. This chance is NOW! Cheers, Thomas [1] http://kdepi.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/mageia-forking-mandriva-linux-yes/ [2] http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/09/there-is-no-spoon-but-there-is-a-fork/ [3] http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/09/18/1437248/Developers-Fork-Mandriva-L… [4] http://mageia.org/ [5] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/GNU-Linux_distro_timelin… [6] http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Conference -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] To use or not to use "TM"
by Vincent Untz 23 Sep '10

23 Sep '10

Hi, Every time I read "openSUSE TM" (on t-shirts, and everywhere where we use the logo), I start crying. Do we really have to put the "TM" symbol? It makes the whole thing look ugly, and, as far as I know, it is not necessary to use it (see [1], [2], and more if you search on the web). Thanks, Vincent [1] http://www.secureyourtrademark.com/2007/11/trademark-registration-symbols.h… [2] http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_it_legally_necessary_to_constantly_use_the_tra… -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] community transition
by DenverD 23 Sep '10

23 Sep '10

Karsten König wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 22. September 2010, 17:07:48 schrieb DenverD: >> Karsten König wrote: >>> Am Mittwoch, 22. September 2010, 16:49:02 schrieb DenverD: >>>> may i ask: is it required to actually _have_ the technical ability to >>>> remedy a problem before one is allowed to voice it? if so, i guess i >>>> better leave. >>> It's not helping to voice the same concern over and over again >> some seem to feel it is unhelpful (and pure FUD) to voice it even once!! >> >> at least that was my experience! > > You aren't new to this list, you know it's been talked over and over again, no > one stepped up to change it, so it stays the way it is right now, that's as > open as it can be if you ask me. > We rely on volounteer work here, currently this is only Novell in regard to > hosting, no other volounteers exist, period. i've been on this list since June 2010 and don't recall a single time our heavy dependence on one corporate sponsor for all our communications means was discussed, much less "over and over" .. i'd love for you to find one such in the archive since June 2010.. anxiously awaiting, DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Science and Education repos/ Scientific packages
by Alin Marin Elena 22 Sep '10

22 Sep '10

Hi Werner, Perfect! Once we get the rules we can try to enrol the free time of scientists from different fields to get lists of relevant opensource packages that should make it into the repo. As a side note, Novell may have a direct interest in it, as sled is the core of many supercomputers around world. usually on a supercomputer you will use a different set of libraries and compilers but having gnu packaged versions may help. Two points that once should have in mind. 1, compiling scientific programs may be a very heuristic process 2. deciding which features are relevant for a program has to be done in close connection with the scientific community. regards, Alin On Wednesday 22 September 2010 15:39:34 you wrote: > Hi Alin, > > On Dienstag, 21. September 2010, Alin Marin Elena wrote: > > An up to date repo for http://www.opensuse.org/en/science is needed and will have to accommodate > > the chaotic development of scientific software rather then go well > > structured route of software engineering. > > Yes that would be great. > > At fedora there is a special Electronic lab: > http://spins.fedoraproject.org/fel/ > > It would be cool to have something like that in openSUSE, too. > > > I can offer some of my time and knowledge on helping with the > > physics/chemistry packages but before proceeding we need a well > > defined set of rules and areas of expertise. > > Thanks for your help. > > I will be in holiday till 1. Oct. > Then I'll have some time. Defining some rules and visions for the > repository is a good idea. > > Regards > Werner -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA http://alin.elenaworld.net http://www.google.com/profiles/alinm.elena alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________

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[opensuse-project] access forbidden
by Dale Ritchey 22 Sep '10

22 Sep '10

downloads come up with the following error web master notified Access forbidden! You don't have permission to access the requested directory. There is either no index document or the directory is read-protected. If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster. Error 403 download.opensuse.org Wed Sep 22 00:27:47 2010 Apache/2.2.15 (Linux/SUSE) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Science and Education repos/ Scientific packages
by Alin Marin Elena 21 Sep '10

21 Sep '10

Hi Thomas, All what a user will do is to enable the science repo in yast... Then the magic should happen... without rambling into the obs regards, Alin On Tuesday 21 September 2010 19:15:35 Thomas Hertweck wrote: > Hi Werner, > > On 21/09/10 12:41, Werner Hoch wrote: > > On Donnerstag, 16. September 2010, Thomas Hertweck wrote: > >> On 16/09/10 11:17, Alin Marin Elena wrote: > >>> [...] > >>> First I would like to know what is the Education repo and what is > >>> the science repo.. > >>> which of them would be the best place to push scientific packages. > >> > >> Could you give examples of what you would typically classify as > >> "scientific packages"? Tools like "octave", "gnuplot" etc are part > >> of the standard distribution as far as I know. These are tools that > >> I would classify as "general purpose science tools". > > > > When the science repository started there was only a pretty old octave > > package in the standard distribution. > > > > Another problem are the used build options in the standard repostitory. > > Usually without lapack or hdf5 support. > > > > Thus some packages that can be compiled with more configurations need to > > be rebuild. > > I understand the problem. However, it can be quite difficult for users if > they find an octave package in the standard repo, another octave in the > science repo, and perhaps a third octave in a private repo. If the > standard repo contains an old octave, I think nowadays it would be better > if this package could be updated instead of providing another package in a > different repository. This might not be possible under all circumstances > but from my perspective we should at least aim for minimizing duplicate > RPM packages in all the repos. This will also minimize the user's > confusion. I've heard from quite a lot of people that they find the layout > of the OBS etc confusing, and the more repos you add to your software > manager the more likely you run into dependency problems. > I've been there myself. > > Regards, > Thomas -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA http://alin.elenaworld.net http://www.google.com/profiles/alinm.elena alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________

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[opensuse-project] Science and Education repos/ Scientific packages
by Alin Marin Elena 21 Sep '10

21 Sep '10

Dear All, I am trying to solve the mysteries of science and education repos from our obs. All these are done in order to understand and see how the opensuse can provide in an efficient centralised way (aka one repo) packages for science/research community. Please have in mind that software developed and used by scientists/researchers a lot of time is far away from what we call good software engineering practise. Frequent releases are a common feature, sometimes the release concept does not exist at all. So if we want to help attract the research community in the opensuse world we will need a repo that accommodates their ways of working. First I would like to know what is the Education repo and what is the science repo.. which of them would be the best place to push scientific packages. regards, Alin My expertise is in physics/chemistry software and of course I can lend it to the opensuse community. -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA http://alin.elenaworld.net http://www.google.com/profiles/alinm.elena alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________

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Re: [opensuse-project] Science and Education repos/ Scientific packages
by Alin Marin Elena 21 Sep '10

21 Sep '10

Dear Werner, Thank you very much for you answer. Personally I do not see the education repo as the place to go. Education seems to me to be run like a opensuse distro flavoured for education, as you noticed too, mainly highschool and general education rather than research. An up to date repo for science is needed and will have to accommodate the chaotic development of scientific software rather then go well structured route of software engineering. I can offer some of my time and knowledge on helping with the physics/chemistry packages but before proceeding we need a well defined set of rules and areas of expertise. regards, Alin On Tuesday 21 September 2010 13:52:53 Werner Hoch wrote: > Hi Alin, > > On Freitag, 17. September 2010, Alin Marin Elena wrote: > > On 16 September 2010 20:44, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer(a)gmail.com> > > > > >> Creating a repo is a simple matter of filing a bugzilla requesting > >> > > > one iirc. The more difficult task is building all the packages > > > and pushing them into the repo(s). But again all of the above can > > > be down by anyone. > > > > a science repo exists already so no need to create it > > > > what I want is to bring it alive... and useful for scientists. > > freeze cycles that govern distro and education make them irrelevant > > for the scientific community. > > some packages have to be updated pretty often due to addition of new > > features or fixes of bugs. > > Yes the science repository needs more love or should be merged into the > Education repository. > > > the scientific computational community is not a big one in numbers... > > but is a community in which linux is predominant and unfortunately is > > not opensuse... > > > > if opensuse wants to make itself relevant at desk level for > > scientists providing a rich and up to date science repo is crucial. > > > > on gromacs the version offered is 3.3.1 the current version is 4.5.1. > > also only sequential version is offered. > > > > have you ever tried to push anything to the science repo? > > I'm sorry. I wasn't very active over the last year. I've only maintained > the rpms for electronical engineering and some python packages. > > I think we need a few more active maintainers if we like to have an up > to date science repository. > > If you'd like to take care of the chemistry/physics packages, you're of > course very welcome. I can add you to the maintainer list, too. > > Regards > Werner -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA http://alin.elenaworld.net http://www.google.com/profiles/alinm.elena alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________

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