June 2008 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Updating WikiPedia
by Administrator 21 Jun '08

21 Jun '08

Hi, can I suggest that the openSuSE project add to their major release launch instructions updating wikipedia to reflect the new release. AS an example of an old page I'd give http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2008/06/19)
by Rodrigo Moya 19 Jun '08

19 Jun '08

Helping hands update: * Some experts already engaged: - Lakhil and Abharath will do Evolution - Thorsten and Rodo will do openOffice - hpj will do GDM - First session about basic setup (bluetooth, 3g cards, ...) - Next Friday, 2 hour Helping Hands Grand Opening, covering misc getting started topics (14:30 UTC) Wiki cleanup: * suseROCKs started some cleanup on the wiki * Need volunteers to review pages, there are a lot, bad organized AI: suseROCKS to announce and prepare wiki day 11.1 features * A few ideas have been added to http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.1 * July 4th deadline to add features there * Then, we'll start organizing to get interested people to test / develop / document Bug triage: * http://en.opensuse.org/User:Jproseve/TriageProposal * Priorities assigned to bugs, this will drive the bug fixing order AI master update: * Build service repo: * New repo organization (KDE will use similar setup) * G:STABLE is now empty, but will be populated with GNOME packages from 11.0 * G:Factory for ongoing development/packaging How to set up a process of performance measurement: * Interest in developing coprehensive wiki pages for benchmarking / debugging / performance steps we can give our users so they can offer up more sound information on issues * bootchart / debugging tools * A script to collect information for good bug submission -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Count Down, T-14 ?
by Masim "Vavai" Sugianto 19 Jun '08

19 Jun '08

Hi all, We are here in Jakarta Indonesia (GMT+7) now on June 19, 2008. This morning I've checked out the countdown counter on http://www.opensuse.or.id and find out the counter display T-14. What is T-14 stand for ? Is this related with Pascal Bleser noticed last day about the words for "openSUSE 11.0 is now available, download now !" or something like that ? I've checked http://en.opensuse.org/Countdown also and found similar display (yes, of course, because the first link are taken content from the second :-D ) I don't mention about download link. I just curious about the words displayed on the count down. T-14 = Thanks in Advance ? -- Best Regards, Masim "Vavai" Sugianto /************************************************************/ Blog (ID) : http://www.vavai.com/blog/index.php Blog (EN) : http://www.vavai.net Community : http://www.opensuse.or.id /************************************************************/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE counter -1 on release day?
by Michael Loeffler 17 Jun '08

17 Jun '08

Hi, do I count wrong or the counter? The counter will count down today to 1 and tomorrow to 0. When it will be down to zero the world still needs to wait another day till openSUSE 11.0 release. Assuming I count correctly we should add one day to be down to zero on release day and not one day erlier, shouldn't we? Best Michael -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] discontinued distributions
by Adrian Schröter 16 Jun '08

16 Jun '08

Hi, After the discussion from last month around the discontinued distribution handling, here's a proposal how to handle them in future. "Discontinued distributions" are the distributions, which receive no regular security updates anymore. These distributions stay accessible below DISCONTINUED name space. This means SUSE:SL-10.0 is accessible as DISCONTINUED:SUSE:SL-10.0 for example. We have currently the following distributions below DISCONTINUED names space: SUSE Linux 10.0 SUSE Linux 10.1 Fedora 6 Mandriva 2006 We will remove the official projects and all repositories building against them in two weeks (if we are not forced to do it earlier due to disc storage problems). The official 10.1 ftp tree from ftp.opensuse.org will get removed end of the year. If you want to keep building against these, you need to modify your project configuration replacing the project name of the path tag. Please keep in mind that the quota system will disable your whole project in case you reach quota setting. Also important, using discontinued distro means that: * Installing a package might not be possible because dependencies can not get solved (due to the fact that distro installation repo disappeared from the servers as well) * Using the repositories should not be done from a system connected to the internet. thanks adrian PS: we are again at > 95% disk usage, we will increase the disk space again, but we should remove all not necessary repositories to keep our resource for the really often downloaded stuff. Thanks a lot for your help. -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) email: adrian(a)suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] IRC etiquette
by Francis Earl 14 Jun '08

14 Jun '08

I have been in the IRC channel on freenode now for a few days, and I am utterly appalled. By FreeNode naming conventions #opensuse (which forwards to #suse) is an official project channel. I am starting to see why OpenSUSE is lacking users, the surrounding community is outright rude. The project needs to understand that such places are exactly where people first encounter Novell and OpenSUSE on a personal basis. While I understand statements made do not represent Novell, or OpenSUSE at all, the general mood in the channel has turned me away repeatedly in the past, and it will do again if nothing is done. I have used Linux for almost 10 years, people all over IRC talk bad about #debian, but they are not even half as bad as #opensuse. I would suggest contacting FreeNode and having #opensuse and #suse separated and started again, it's really appalling. OpenSUSE is technically very good, but the personal interactions with the community is what people judge a Linux distro on, look at Ubuntu, it's buggy as anything, nothing at all special about the distro, yet their channel regularly has 1500 people. Ask yourself why... it's because of the community. If nothing changes, OpenSUSE will never be a popular project, and I seem to recall that being a stated goal? If you don't know what this is about, I challenge anyone reading to just hang out in #opensuse for a few days, look at the way the project is represented there. I'm not sure if OpenSUSE has a community board or anything that is intended to mediate this sort of thing, but I think it's a serious mistake to overlook this. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] 1-click's name
by Stephen Shaw 14 Jun '08

14 Jun '08

So, I'm constantly hearing complaints about 1-click. Am I the only one? Should the 1 click process be shortened? Stephen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] 1-click's name
by Joe Harmon 13 Jun '08

13 Jun '08

On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 11:17 -0300, Druid wrote: > I'm sorry, Vincent, but how does it help to come here in this list and > tell people to change a thing, like the previous people who did it > were completely idiots with no understanding of nothing? Isn't that > someway offensive? That wasn't his point. He didn't say anything about you comment with regards to the "1 click" name change. His point was you didn't need to make the gnome comment. And quite frankly I agree. You could have very well come in and stated that you felt that this was something that you felt didn't need to be changed and express you reasons why. You didn't need to come in and and make the generalization about gnome users. Joe Harmon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Sneak Peeks Needs You!
by Francis Giannaros 13 Jun '08

13 Jun '08

Hi, As posted on opensuse-marketing (see http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-marketing/2008-06/msg00026.html for all the details), I'm currently traveling and unable to spend any significant time on the computer (with no access to 11.0), so I'm unable to write any more sneak peeks for 11.0. So....if you wanna help get involved with marketing just in time before the openSUSE 11.0 release, this is a really great way to get started! The articles are quite widely read and are a great way of promoting the distribution release, hyping it up, and getting to know features and developers a little better. If you think that you'd be able to write one of the articles (and of course you will get a lot of help here from the news.opensuse.org editors), then just drop a note on the -marketing mailing list! Note that we are very close to the release now so time is of the essence. Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2008/06/12)
by Rodrigo Moya 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

* Promoting 11.0 (vuntz / hobbsc) - hobbsc and vuntz started promotion blog entries, we should do all the same - A series of articles about user-friendly specific 11.0 stuff + new features (pulseaudio, randr1.2, zypper, packagekit + more high-level stuff, like 'how to use os as media center', 'business desktop (word processing, etc)', etc + stuff for developers to grow the developers base + what about looking for help with other distros for linux-generic stuff (mostly everything is just linux, not specific to a distro) - Boxed set delivery is free - Someone wants to write a sneak peeks article for 11.0? AI: suseROCKs to create http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/TopicstoWrite * Helping Hands Launch (suseROCKs) - http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/HowTos created, please review - We need people to submit topics and volunteer to be a Helping Hands expert - Suggest ideas & enlist at http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/HowTos/HelpingHandsTopics * Nominating Bug-X for Maintenance Updates (jpr) - Tag potential updates with gnome-update keyword - Developers, ask Anja for a SWAMP-ID * Use bugzilla instead of wiki for AI's (rodrigo / vuntz) - People forget too easily their AIs on the wiki, so why not use bugzilla? - Used for tracking things, so makes sense, would just need a new AI component, eg - We need some AI master to nag constantly people about their AIs, or some automatic application that reminds people before the AIs reach their timeline AI: rodrigo to mail henne for creating products/components AI: captain_magnus to become the AI master * Bug Triage Policy (jpr) - Bug tagging was quite successful for 11.0, helped us focus on user impact rather than technical severity - More aspects to bug handling inconsistent, proposal to fix them: + http://en.opensuse.org/User:Jproseve/TriageProposal + Attempts to better define severities + It moves to priority rather than severity as the first order driver of what gets fixed + It pushes for being better citizens upstream with bug filing in bugzilla.gnome.org and other upstream bugzilla + it attempts to clearly define a triage process some that technical but not necessarily developers can easily perform it in a repeatable manner - Proposal sent to the KDE team also * Start discussing 11.1 features (vuntz) - http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.1 <- please review, still has items already done for 11.0 - We need people to think hard about what they want for 11.1 * Agenda for upcoming meeting (casualprogrammer) - Helping hands update (suseROCKs) - 11.1 features - Bug triage - AI master update -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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