On Tuesday 16 of November 2010 10:23:48 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Dienstag 16 November 2010 schrieb Pascal Bleser:
On 2010-11-15 14:41:50 (+0100), Petr Uzel
wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 01:53:40PM +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Montag 15 November 2010 schrieb Jean Delvare:
I pretty much doubt you want to move less out of Base:System, given that man depends on it.
What definition of Base:System is that statement based on? man depends on _tons_ of things not in Base:System.
I just created request to delete less from utilities - let it stay in Base:System only.
Couldn't we use utilities/less as a devel for Base:System/less ? (or is Base:System already the devel project for Factory ?)
That being said, I would personally feel a bit uncomfortable doing SRs for Base:System, as it sounds like it is a very critical project which needs very conservative handling (of new versions and such). Or is that just an impression? :)
My point is that we might be able to maintain a "latest and greatest" less in utilities, rather than in Base:System. Well... if "latest and greatest" applies to less in the first place.. erm... probably not.
But coolo wants Base:System to become smaller, so why move less back into Base:System now ?
Let's please clarify that with coolo first :)
Hey! I'm just one of the 300 maintainers of it - but I see a huge tendency of "if I don't get what devel projects are for, I pick Base:System", so Base:System shouldn't become smaller per se, but should have a clear definition that people can stick to. And all definitions I can come up with happen to mean a smaller Base:System, yes.
And I think pasky's definition is roughly the one it should be.
You mean the Base:System is only "the place where I commit glibc so that I can submitreq it to Factory if I don't see a followup build failures storm" right? ;-) Anyway I like that, so I'm sure the description of Base:System has to be updated. I propose a following description of that project Base:System is intended for (i) Distribution policies. Mainly aaa-base, I guess. The people who care about the SUSE fundamentals should gather here. (ii) The basic userland related to run-time lifetime of the system. This covers glibc, *kit, dbus, grub, (iii) Userspace-kernel interfaces. pciutils, *acpi*, *obex*, most of fs and util-linux. (iv) All other userspace tools should lives elsewhere, most likely in utilities BTW: this reminds me - there was an announcement glib will be moved to /lib - does it makes a sense to move glib to Base:System yet? Regards Michal Vyskocil