Re: [opensuse-kde] Availability KDE Application releases (specifically for openSUSE 13.2 users)
p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }In data lunedì 20 aprile 2015 09:36:07, Raymond Wooninck ha scritto:
Let me put it in a different tone and way of writing, because this seems clearly misunderstanding and drawing conclusions which shouldn't even exist.
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As indicated the KDE:Extra repo is maintained and should be supported by YOU (as a community). If you all agree that this means that KDE:Extra should not builld KDE Frameworks packages for openSUSE 13.2, then this is YOUR decision. The openSUSE KDE community team just indicated what the guidelines are, but it is up to you if you want to follow them. In most cases this would mean that NO NEWER updates will be provided as that most likely newer releases will become Frameworks based !!
Regards
Raymond O.K. Thank you so much. That was therfore just that I did not understand a thing Ah, we violently agree :-)
Thank you Raymond, that clarified. P.S. and yes, I can live with that, no problem. --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! http://email.freenet.de/basic/Informationen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/20/2015 10:30 AM, stakanov@freenet.de wrote:
p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }In data lunedì 20 aprile 2015 09:36:07, Raymond Wooninck ha scritto:
Let me put it in a different tone and way of writing, because this seems clearly misunderstanding and drawing conclusions which shouldn't even exist.
snip----snap....
As indicated the KDE:Extra repo is maintained and should be supported by YOU (as a community). If you all agree that this means that KDE:Extra should not builld KDE Frameworks packages for openSUSE 13.2, then this is YOUR decision. The openSUSE KDE community team just indicated what the guidelines are, but it is up to you if you want to follow them. In most cases this would mean that NO NEWER updates will be provided as that most likely newer releases will become Frameworks based !!
sorry, in spite of your diamond clear talk I'm quite hard to understand, does this means that if I don't want the risk to upgrade to KDEframework based KDE applications I only have to disable KDE:Extra repository?? and if I need to install a new application I reenable it and I choose the application4 name instead of application name?? manythanks, ciao, pier
Regards
Raymond O.K. Thank you so much. That was therfore just that I did not understand a thing Ah, we violently agree :-)
Thank you Raymond, that clarified.
P.S. and yes, I can live with that, no problem.
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On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 06:53:43 PM yahoo-pier_andreit wrote:
On 04/20/2015 10:30 AM, stakanov@freenet.de wrote:
p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }In data lunedì 20 aprile 2015 09:36:07, Raymond Wooninck ha scritto:
sorry, in spite of your diamond clear talk I'm quite hard to understand, does this means that if I don't want the risk to upgrade to KDEframework based KDE applications I only have to disable KDE:Extra repository??
I guess you didn't really read the initial email or did not understood a word from it. The KDE Application releases are NOT released in KDE:Extra (and they never have been). The KDE Applications releases are in a separate repository that needs to be manually added by the user. KDE:Extra contains additional KDE/Qt based programs maintained by the community. One example is konversation, which is available in KDE:Extra. The latest version of konversation is KDE Frameworks based.
and if I need to install a new application I reenable it and I choose the application4 name instead of application name??
No, there will be no application4 name package for any repo. The application4 package is only the packagename on OBS to distinquish what to maintain for older openSUSE releases and what not. In the example of konversation 1.6 (which is the latest release), then konversation 1.6. will become available for Tumbleweed and 13.2, however it will pull in some KDE Frameworks libraries. the konversation4 package will be active only for openSUSE releases below 13.2 and will still produce a rpm file with the name konversation. However this package will remain on the 1.5 version due to the build requirements. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/22/2015 08:20 PM, Raymond Wooninck wrote:
On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 06:53:43 PM yahoo-pier_andreit wrote:
On 04/20/2015 10:30 AM, stakanov@freenet.de wrote:
p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }In data lunedì 20 aprile 2015 09:36:07, Raymond Wooninck ha scritto:
sorry, in spite of your diamond clear talk I'm quite hard to understand, does this means that if I don't want the risk to upgrade to KDEframework based KDE applications I only have to disable KDE:Extra repository??
I guess you didn't really read the initial email or did not understood a word from it.
:-) :-) the second one could be very likely :-) :-)
The KDE Application releases are NOT released in KDE:Extra (and they never have been). The KDE Applications releases are in a separate repository that needs to be manually added by the user.
KDE:Extra contains additional KDE/Qt based programs maintained by the community. One example is konversation, which is available in KDE:Extra. The latest version of konversation is KDE Frameworks based.
so, if I upgrade to the last version of konversation I will have the one based on KDE Frameworks, that should be in KDE Applications, and, it is in KDE:Extra, so also some library of KDE4 are upgraded to KDE frameworks??
and if I need to install a new application I reenable it and I choose the application4 name instead of application name??
No, there will be no application4 name package for any repo. The application4 package is only the packagename on OBS to distinquish what to maintain for older openSUSE releases and what not. In the example of konversation 1.6 (which is the latest release), then konversation 1.6. will become available for Tumbleweed and 13.2, however it will pull in some KDE Frameworks libraries. the konversation4 package will be active only for openSUSE releases below 13.2 and will still produce a rpm file with the name konversation. However this package will remain on the 1.5 version due to the build requirements.
so I cannot distinguish from the ones based on KDE frameworks and the ones based on KDE4?? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 22 of April 2015 21:29:20 yahoo-pier_andreit wrote:
On 04/22/2015 08:20 PM, Raymond Wooninck wrote:
On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 06:53:43 PM yahoo-pier_andreit wrote:
On 04/20/2015 10:30 AM, stakanov@freenet.de wrote:
p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }In data lunedì 20 aprile 2015 09:36:07,
Raymond Wooninck ha scritto:
sorry, in spite of your diamond clear talk I'm quite hard to understand, does this means that if I don't want the risk to upgrade to KDEframework based KDE applications I only have to disable KDE:Extra repository??
I guess you didn't really read the initial email or did not understood a word from it.
:-) :-) the second one could be very likely :-) :-)
The KDE Application releases are NOT released in KDE:Extra (and they never have been). The KDE Applications releases are in a separate repository that needs to be manually added by the user.
KDE:Extra contains additional KDE/Qt based programs maintained by the community. One example is konversation, which is available in KDE:Extra. The latest version of konversation is KDE Frameworks based.
so, if I upgrade to the last version of konversation I will have the one based on KDE Frameworks, that should be in KDE Applications, and, it is in KDE:Extra, so also some library of KDE4 are upgraded to KDE frameworks??
and if I need to install a new application I reenable it and I choose the application4 name instead of application name??
No, there will be no application4 name package for any repo. The application4 package is only the packagename on OBS to distinquish what to maintain for older openSUSE releases and what not. In the example of konversation 1.6 (which is the latest release), then konversation 1.6. will become available for Tumbleweed and 13.2, however it will pull in some KDE Frameworks libraries. the konversation4 package will be active only for openSUSE releases below 13.2 and will still produce a rpm file with the name konversation. However this package will remain on the 1.5 version due to the build requirements.
so I cannot distinguish from the ones based on KDE frameworks and the ones based on KDE4??
Ideally, yes. It shouldn't matter with which toolkit has the application been built. You can go into Help -> About $application, then you'll see what the app is using as foundation. To try and say in a different way: If you update an application which was built with Frameworks 5, you won't 'upgrade' to 'KDE5'. You will have a new release of the application, plus a bundle of *new* packages (the Frameworks libraries and runtime parts) installed. These new packages are the packages you now have 'in KDE4' under names libkde4, libkdecore4, kdelibs4, kdelibs4-core and kdebase4-runtime but ported to use Qt5, instead of Qt4, and they can safely live in your 'KDE4' desktop. That application will use the libraries and daemons from these new packages, but will leave every other application and desktop unaffected. There is off course possibility that the new version has some bugs, but that chance is always there with a version update. If you wish to use something 'written in stone', then using KDE:Extra (or any other repository that is not an openSUSE release + Update channel) is not the best choice, regardless of the changes which come with some apps switching to new toolkit. Cheers, Hrvoje
Am Mittwoch, 22. April 2015, 21:29:20 schrieb yahoo-pier_andreit:
so, if I upgrade to the last version of konversation I will have the one based on KDE Frameworks, Yes, the latest version 1.6 is only available based in Frameworks5. The KDE4 version is not developed any more.
But, that version 1.6 is not in any repo yet. KDE:Extra still contains the KDE4 based Konversation 1.5.1. Btw, in this particular case you could just install the standard konversation package included in openSUSE 13.2, if you want to stay with the KDE4 based version. YaST/zypper or your desktop's updater won't switch packages to versions from other repos automatically.
that should be in KDE Applications, and, it is in KDE:Extra, No it should not be in KDE Applications. It is not developed by KDE, is not part of KDE releases, but completely independent.
That's why it is in KDE:Extra.
so also some library of KDE4 are upgraded to KDE frameworks?? No KDE4 library will be upgraded to KDE Frameworks5. Kdelibs4 and Frameworks5 can be installed side-by-side.
so I cannot distinguish from the ones based on KDE frameworks and the ones based on KDE4?? No. Just by the dependencies.
Btw, I don't see how Frameworks5 based applications like Konversation would make your KDE4 desktop unstable. And IME they work well and are stable. (and Frameworks5 is definitely not untested...) IMHO the worst that can happen is that they don't use the old KDE4 settings. But that would be a bug in the application. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
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