Re: [opensuse-kde] Availability KDE Application releases (specifically for openSUSE 13.2 users)
p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; In data domenica 19 aprile 2015 20:48:57, Raymond Wooninck ha scritto:> As indicated some time ago, the initial decision was not to release the KDE
Application releases as of version 15.04 for any openSUSE target except Tumbleweed. KDE Applications 15.04 would made available for Tumbleweed users together with the switch of the default KDE desktop to Plasma 5.
And this was a GOOD idea.
The team discussed the topic again and I can now announce that we will start building the Frameworks based applications also for openSUSE 13.2.
What does this mean concretely ?
This means concretely that if the desktop messes up and do not start again, all the people that I help with opensuse and that are delighted with a stabel conservative desktop will call and say: you see it does not start anymore. And ...nobody will be there to help them.
Newer packages that will be build against KDE Frameworks, will not have a different package name. e.g. Kate will remain Kate. If the KDE4 based version of a package will need to remain, then this package will have a 4 as suffix. In most cases if both packages are provided, then they will conflict with eachother. e.g. installing kate4 will automatically remove kate and vice versa.
The updates will be provided through two repositories
1) Official KDE Application releases will be made available through a seperate repository KDE:Applications, which is build for openSUSE 13.2 and openSUSE Factory/Tumbleweed. It is not necessary for Tumbleweed users to activate this repository as updates will come with regular Tumbleweed snapshots.
And this is a GOOD idea.
2) Other KDE/Qt based packages (not part of KDE Applications) will be made available through the existing KDE:Extra repository.
And this is IMO a masochistic idea. If it ain't broken don't fix it. People rely on these very common repos for productive machines. They do security updates when available. Want to live "KDE4.0 is not KDE4.0" one more time, really? Why would you ever want to do this instead of leaving it aside in a separate repo.
The environment where Frameworks based applications are running inside a KDE4 desktop is untested. Also upstream is only testing how KDE4 based applications are behaving inside a Plasma 5 desktop. Although we are not expecting issues, one can never be sure.
If it becomes clear that this is causing an unstable desktop for openSUSE 13.2 users, then we would revert the changes for openSUSE 13.2 and remain there with pure KDE4 applications.
But then it will be too late for the many that just use the machine. I really do not understand why you choose this. This is against all past politics for the stable versions. So my opinion is: think about it. Please don't mix. The stable version must stay stable. If people are risk liking they have Tubleweed. If not, why we have Tubleweed then? If people want to try 13.2 with separate repos with untested software on production machines, go ahead. But stable must be stable. Thank you. --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! http://email.freenet.de/basic/Informationen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
In data domenica 19 aprile 2015 23:20:30, stakanov@freenet.de ha scritto:
This means concretely that if the desktop messes up and do not start again, all the people that I help with opensuse and that are delighted with a
Please re-read the mail again. Where's the mention of the desktop? We're talking about KDE Applications releases here. KDE is not the desktop, but the community around it. Therefore, libraries, workspaces and applications are on separate repositories / release schedules. This only concerns the applications, so I can't quite understand how the desktop can "mess up" given it's not even affected.
updates when available. Want to live "KDE4.0 is not KDE4.0" one more time, really? Why would you ever want to do this instead of leaving it aside in a separate repo.
Why KDE 4.0? Again, we're talking about applications, not desktop.
don't mix. The stable version must stay stable. If people are risk liking they have Tubleweed. If not, why we have Tubleweed then? If people want to
Then the best solution is not to offer *any* kind of KDE Applications updates for openSUSE 13.2. And to whoever makes such a request, the answer would be "use Tumbleweed, or wait for the next stable release, whenever it comes out". I will propose that to the rest of the team. Even less maintenance burden for us, so that's a plus.
try 13.2 with separate repos with untested software on production machines, go ahead.
How is that untested? They're stable releases from upstream. -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: 6E1A4E79
On Sunday 19 of April 2015 23:33:54 Luca Beltrame wrote:
In data domenica 19 aprile 2015 23:20:30, stakanov@freenet.de ha scritto:
This means concretely that if the desktop messes up and do not start again, all the people that I help with opensuse and that are delighted with a
Please re-read the mail again. Where's the mention of the desktop? We're talking about KDE Applications releases here. KDE is not the desktop, but the community around it. Therefore, libraries, workspaces and applications are on separate repositories / release schedules. This only concerns the applications, so I can't quite understand how the desktop can "mess up" given it's not even affected.
updates when available. Want to live "KDE4.0 is not KDE4.0" one more time, really? Why would you ever want to do this instead of leaving it aside in a separate repo.
Why KDE 4.0? Again, we're talking about applications, not desktop.
don't mix. The stable version must stay stable. If people are risk liking they have Tubleweed. If not, why we have Tubleweed then? If people want to
Then the best solution is not to offer *any* kind of KDE Applications updates for openSUSE 13.2. And to whoever makes such a request, the answer would be "use Tumbleweed, or wait for the next stable release, whenever it comes out".
I will propose that to the rest of the team. Even less maintenance burden for us, so that's a plus.
Yes, i think it would maybe be best that we all just concentrate on Tumbleweed, cut the cords on released versions, and that's that.
try 13.2 with separate repos with untested software on production machines, go ahead.
How is that untested? They're stable releases from upstream.
Op 19-04-15 om 23:33 schreef Luca Beltrame:
Then the best solution is not to offer*any* kind of KDE Applications updates for openSUSE 13.2. And to whoever makes such a request, the answer would be "use Tumbleweed, or wait for the next stable release, whenever it comes out".
I will propose that to the rest of the team. Even less maintenance burden for us, so that's a plus.
I was one of the persons requesting KDE:Applications support for 13.2, but seeing the tone of some of the negative responses, I would understand your reaction. And I would accept it. This is only about KDE:Extra. I am co-maintainer of a few packages there. If e.g. kbibtex updates to frameworks and releases an update, I would test that, but then I would have no problem updating that package in Extra. That is how it works. Even without this proposal, it would have worked that way, and no one would have complained. And if don't like it, be civil and come with suggestions. Thanks, Cor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/19/2015 11:33 PM, Luca Beltrame wrote:
Then the best solution is not to offer*any* kind of KDE Applications updates for openSUSE 13.2. And to whoever makes such a request, the answer would be "use Tumbleweed, or wait for the next stable release, whenever it comes out". yes, I think this is the best solution.. :-) :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
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