On Wednesday 07 November 2012 15:38:53 Sven Burmeister wrote:

Since KR49 was actively maintained, I wonder what happend when packaging moved to KDF instead of KR49?

I also wondered. I know that original KR49 maintainers could not make it when 4.9.2 was released, so I did this together with an alignmed clean-up of KR49. But things were discussed during the initial team meeting and I thought everything was fine and understood.

Is it a matter of people not knowing who does what and what help is needed?

There is also another option that people are not interested or afraid to help.

source, i.e. they are not listed as file but service… in the sources section. Hence those submits are declined.

Yes, unfortunately. Thanks Regards Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 07 November 2012 16:36:41 Sven Burmeister wrote:

What about setting-up tasks such as:

- uploading tarballs for KDE SC - fixing packages kdebase*+kdelibs+kdepimlibs - fixing packages kdex + kde y - maintaining calligra (uploading + fixing) - maintaining app x, appy, app z

That way people can take over a job and would know what to do and when to do it. In case they do not have enough time, they post to opensuse-kde and somebody else takes over.

I think this is a good idea and definitely worth following up on. Would it be possible for you to create a wikipage where we can collect the tasks that we currently see ? People can than have a look at this page and indicating where they are able to help out. Thanks Regards Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 17:46:51 +0100 Sven Burmeister wrote:

Discussion on the page should happen here though.

There is wiki page for discussion, not well suited for large threaded discussions, but still closer to discussion object then some thread, on some mail list that even we will have hard time to find after, say, one month. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE_talk:KDE_packaging_tasks When you read http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_packaging_tasks click on "Discussion", and you will be on that discussion page. Much easier then to find thread and post to it, specially if you wasn't subscribed to the list before thread was created. To follow page automatically, just click link "Watch" and check your watched pages from time to time, or add Atom feed of that page "My Watchlist" to your feed reader. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:17:31 +0100 Sven Burmeister wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 7. November 2012, 14:51:33 schrieb Rajko:

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On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 17:46:51 +0100 ... discussion object then some thread, on some mail list that even we will have hard time to find after, say, one month.

This not some mailinglist but the KDE mailinglist. Post the archive link to this thread in the wiki and you are done.

Right, that is the plan. Give link to archive if that was discussed before, but don't expect people to join a thread if they weren't subscribed before . It is possible, but not everyone has capabilities to do that. (Download archives and incorporate in a mailer.)

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http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE_talk:KDE_packaging_tasks

When you read http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_packaging_tasks click on "Discussion", and you will be on that discussion page. Much easier then to find thread and post to it, specially if you wasn't subscribed to the list before thread was created.

Can you add to it without logging into the wiki?

No. Our wiki server setup does not allow use of such access, but on the other hand we have single login to all services, so if you used any of services before, you can login in the wiki. Maybe having some threads on chit chat forum can help, as anyone able to post on forums can add to wiki without much effort. Also, if you guys think that adding something like button on http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_packaging_tasks that will call for a questions, or comments, can help more, that is possible and not much of effort for me. See http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GCI_tasks for examples. There was used "Add task" button and somewhat more complicated page structure then it is needed to add comment to the talk page. The name on the button is custom, so it can be any text we like. Also, I played some time ago with mail links in the wiki, and one can add Subject to the link. It will not automatically join an existing thread, but it will make easy to filter all messages with a same Subject.

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To follow page automatically, just click link "Watch" and check your watched pages from time to time, or add Atom feed of that page "My Watchlist" to your feed reader.

IMHO your concerns seem a bit far fetched. Packagers are on this list, not on the wiki.

We need more people willing to take on packaging. That was a reason to create openSUSE:KDE_packaging_tasks, and lowering barriers further can only help. People must be able to contact us without fuss, and talk (discussion) page is one of the ways to do that. Adding links to that page from OBS will make one more place where people can read that they are welcome. Nothing works better then answer to your question from live person, when you finally find courage to post something, even so small as a question. It worked with me and dozens of other people, and it will work again.

Sven

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Am Mittwoch, 7. November 2012, 15:56:29 schrieb Stefan Brüns:

thanks for the work so far. As I have already contributed in the past (via SR), and also happen to have access to the KDE git, I offer to put me on the maintainers list.

What a coincidence! Since you are the author of https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/107099/ and it got the "Ship it!", are you going to submit it upstream? Currently we have the policy that patches to KDF should have been committed upstream already. If KDEPIM 4.8 is affected as well does the patch apply to KDEPIM 4.8.5, i.e. openSUSE 12.2. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org