[opensuse-kde] The road to releasing KDE 4.13 (Repository naming)
Dear Listmates, With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions. We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered. Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo. On the other hand it would be getting ride of a lot of repositories and maintenance work. So we would like to have your feedback if we should stay with the current approach (KDE:Release:XY and KDE:Distro:Factory) or to move to KDE:Latest (which tracks the latest and highest release, building for all openSUSE releases) and KDE:Distro:Factory (which would hold Beta's and RC's and builds for Factory and the latest oS release). As that 4.13 is about to be released, we want to make the decision latest on Monday so that we can either release KDE:Latest or KDE:Release:413 with KDE 4.13 Thank you. your openSUSE KDE Community Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 27 March 2014 19:41:29 Raymond Wooninck wrote:
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
On the other hand it would be getting ride of a lot of repositories and maintenance work.
So we would like to have your feedback if we should stay with the current approach (KDE:Release:XY and KDE:Distro:Factory) or to move to KDE:Latest (which tracks the latest and highest release, building for all openSUSE releases) and KDE:Distro:Factory (which would hold Beta's and RC's and builds for Factory and the latest oS release).
As that 4.13 is about to be released, we want to make the decision latest on Monday so that we can either release KDE:Latest or KDE:Release:413 with KDE 4.13
Thank you. your openSUSE KDE Community Team
Well, as the dude yelling at you for always having to change his repo's, I of course fully support this. The savings in terms of maintenance work seem useful too, although I can't judge how big they are. In general I'd argue that people who upgrade to a KDE release newer than what comes with the distro will be OK with the latest; while people who don't want to change, will stay with the release part of their distro anyway. This will also make another nice idea possible: offering users during the installation of openSUSE to 'always have the latest KDE software'! A simple checkbox that adds the KDE:Latest repository would be absolutely awesome I think. /J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Op donderdag 27 maart 2014 19:41:33 schreef Jos Poortvliet:
On Thursday 27 March 2014 19:41:29 Raymond Wooninck wrote:
Dear Listmates, Thank you. your openSUSE KDE Community Team
Well, as the dude yelling at you for always having to change his repo's, I of course fully support this. The savings in terms of maintenance work seem useful too, although I can't judge how big they are.
In general I'd argue that people who upgrade to a KDE release newer than what comes with the distro will be OK with the latest; while people who don't want to change, will stay with the release part of their distro anyway.
This will also make another nice idea possible: offering users during the installation of openSUSE to 'always have the latest KDE software'! A simple checkbox that adds the KDE:Latest repository would be absolutely awesome I think.
/J
I fully support this idea of the Latest. Especially because of the promise to have more bugs fixed. -- fr.gr. Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
[ Comments below, in-line ] On 03/27/2014 02:41 PM, Raymond Wooninck wrote:
Dear Listmates,
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Hi Raymond, Excuse my ignorance, would it be possible to have both? :) In the world of UNIX/Linux, I'd equate `latest' to a symbolic link to a specific tag. Cheers, -- Pablo Sanchez - Blueoak Database Engineering, Inc Ph: 819.459.1926 Blog: http://pablo-blog.blueoakdb.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 27 March 2014 14:46:28 Pablo Sanchez wrote:
[ Comments below, in-line ]
On 03/27/2014 02:41 PM, Raymond Wooninck wrote:
Dear Listmates,
[ trimmed to: mnemnoic tag vs specific tag ]
Hi Raymond,
Excuse my ignorance, would it be possible to have both? :)
You always want more, and don't we all ;-) Yeah, technically that is possible, just a little bit more work. Thing is, if we just go for 'latest' we eliminate some work for the openSUSE KDE team. If we do both, we give them EXTRA work, which means - later KDE releases, more issues for us. So it goes a bit like "what do you want: a KDE:Latest and better KDE packages, or a latest AND the old setup, AND worse packages?" ;-) I wonder - do you have any reason why the current setup is any good? /J
In the world of UNIX/Linux, I'd equate `latest' to a symbolic link to a specific tag.
Cheers, -- Pablo Sanchez - Blueoak Database Engineering, Inc Ph: 819.459.1926 Blog: http://pablo-blog.blueoakdb.com
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[ Comments below, in-line ] On 03/27/2014 02:47 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
You always want more, and don't we all ;-)
:)!
Yeah, technically that is possible, just a little bit more work.
Thing is, if we just go for 'latest' we eliminate some work for the openSUSE KDE team. If we do both, we give them EXTRA work, which means - later KDE releases, more issues for us.
So it goes a bit like "what do you want: a KDE:Latest and better KDE packages, or a latest AND the old setup, AND worse packages?" ;-)
I wonder - do you have any reason why the current setup is any good?
/Personally/ I would always want latest. I usually let time `bake' a release and when I migrate, I want the /latest/ I was just thinking for those people who want to lock-in to a specific version for some particular reason. Cheers, -- Pablo Sanchez - Blueoak Database Engineering, Inc Ph: 819.459.1926 Blog: http://pablo-blog.blueoakdb.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 27 March 2014 14:54:59 Pablo Sanchez wrote:
[ Comments below, in-line ]
On 03/27/2014 02:47 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
You always want more, and don't we all ;-) : :)! : Yeah, technically that is possible, just a little bit more work.
Thing is, if we just go for 'latest' we eliminate some work for the openSUSE KDE team. If we do both, we give them EXTRA work, which means - later KDE releases, more issues for us.
So it goes a bit like "what do you want: a KDE:Latest and better KDE packages, or a latest AND the old setup, AND worse packages?" ;-)
I wonder - do you have any reason why the current setup is any good?
/Personally/ I would always want latest. I usually let time `bake' a release and when I migrate, I want the /latest/ I was just thinking for those people who want to lock-in to a specific version for some particular reason.
Well, the thing is - we try to find those 'particular reasons'. We can't ever improve anything if we always assume that there MIGHT somewhere be somebody relying on what we do today ;-)
Cheers, -- Pablo Sanchez - Blueoak Database Engineering, Inc Ph: 819.459.1926 Blog: http://pablo-blog.blueoakdb.com
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In data giovedì 27 marzo 2014 19:41:29, Raymond Wooninck ha scritto:
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo. As simple user, I dislike this options. I'm for keeping Realeas:xy to avoid bad surprise.
Bye. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 27 March 2014 19:48:55 Daniele wrote:
In data giovedì 27 marzo 2014 19:41:29, Raymond Wooninck ha scritto:
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
As simple user, I dislike this options. I'm for keeping Realeas:xy to avoid bad surprise.
You mean you prefer to have to work every time to go to a new release? But if you want no surprises, should you not stay with the stable version in the first place?
Bye.
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In data giovedì 27 marzo 2014 19:48:22, Jos Poortvliet ha scritto:
You mean you prefer to have to work every time to go to a new release? But if you want no surprises, should you not stay with the stable version in the first place?
Bye.
I always wait a bit before upgrade, and this if is kde, the distro or needed software but I can choose what and when. With Latest repo, I cannot choose anymore or at least, less options. So, if doable keep release if not, I'll not complain. I know there are limited resources.. Bye. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Raymond Wooninck
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
On the other hand it would be getting ride of a lot of repositories and maintenance work.
So we would like to have your feedback if we should stay with the current approach (KDE:Release:XY and KDE:Distro:Factory) or to move to KDE:Latest (which tracks the latest and highest release, building for all openSUSE releases) and KDE:Distro:Factory (which would hold Beta's and RC's and builds for Factory and the latest oS release).
As that 4.13 is about to be released, we want to make the decision latest on Monday so that we can either release KDE:Latest or KDE:Release:413 with KDE 4.13
Thank you. your openSUSE KDE Community Team
KDE:XY is a killing future of openSUSE. A user can use the most stable KDE version even if it isn't the latest one. F.e. I was happy with 4.9 until I had had to switch to 4.11 with upgrade from oS 12.2 to 13.1. I would like to continue using of 4.9, but I can not. Please save KDE:XY! -- Best regards, Dmitriy DA(P).DarkneSS Perlow @ Linux x64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 27 March 2014 21:55:45 Dmitriy Perlow wrote:
KDE:XY is a killing future of openSUSE. A user can use the most stable KDE version even if it isn't the latest one. F.e. I was happy with 4.9 until I had had to switch to 4.11 with upgrade from oS 12.2 to 13.1. I would like to continue using of 4.9, but I can not.
This is the wrong example. We have never provide an older KDE release for a newer openSUSE release nor will we start providing this. It seems that you are happy with the KDE release that comes with the openSUSE release itself and this will be always an existing possibility. The KDE:Latest repository is only provided for those people that want to update to a newer KDE release than their openSUSE release is providing them with. As an example: openSUSE 13.2 will be shipped with KDE 4.13 and will receive 4.13.x release through the maintenance process. If a person wants to remain with 4.13, then he/she doesn't have to do anything. However if the person wants to upgrade to KDE 4.14, then he/she only has to add the KDE:Latest repo. Regards Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Raymond Wooninck
On Thursday 27 March 2014 21:55:45 Dmitriy Perlow wrote:
KDE:XY is a killing future of openSUSE. A user can use the most stable KDE version even if it isn't the latest one. F.e. I was happy with 4.9 until I had had to switch to 4.11 with upgrade from oS 12.2 to 13.1. I would like to continue using of 4.9, but I can not.
This is the wrong example. We have never provide an older KDE release for a newer openSUSE release nor will we start providing this. It seems that you are happy with the KDE release that comes with the openSUSE release itself and this will be always an existing possibility. The KDE:Latest repository is only provided for those people that want to update to a newer KDE release than their openSUSE release is providing them with.
Nope, for oS 12.2 4.8 was the default version. I tried it, 4.9 and 4.10 and found 4.9 the best for my PC. Now 4.11 and 4.12 provide same bugs so I use default.
As an example: openSUSE 13.2 will be shipped with KDE 4.13 and will receive 4.13.x release through the maintenance process. If a person wants to remain with 4.13, then he/she doesn't have to do anything. However if the person wants to upgrade to KDE 4.14, then he/she only has to add the KDE:Latest repo.
Regards
Raymond
Of course if KDE team can not maintain many repos it will be better to drop KDE:XY idea but it will cause less freedom with openSUSE and KDE. -- Best regards, Dmitriy DA(P).DarkneSS Perlow @ Linux x64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
KDE:XY is a killing future of openSUSE. A user can use the most stable KDE version even if it isn't the latest one. F.e. I was happy with 4.9 until I had had to switch to 4.11 with upgrade from oS 12.2 to 13.1. I would like to continue using of 4.9, but I can not.
Please save KDE:XY!
Hi, If I'm not wrong you cannot downgrade your KDE using KDE:XY repos (for example 4.9 in 13.1 as you wished). I think that if this change (KDE:Latest) reduces work for the mantainers, we should go for it. Regards, Luiz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 03/27/2014 02:41 PM, Raymond Wooninck wrote:
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
On the other hand it would be getting ride of a lot of repositories and maintenance work.
So we would like to have your feedback if we should stay with the current approach (KDE:Release:XY and KDE:Distro:Factory) or to move to KDE:Latest (which tracks the latest and highest release, building for all openSUSE releases) and KDE:Distro:Factory (which would hold Beta's and RC's and builds for Factory and the latest oS release).
As that 4.13 is about to be released, we want to make the decision latest on Monday so that we can either release KDE:Latest or KDE:Release:413 with KDE 4.13
Thank you. your openSUSE KDE Community Team
If we were to choose the latest proposal, it would reduce the tremendous amount of time and work required to build and monitor each repository. This would give more time to resolve bugs, close bug reports and offer a slicker product. Especially since Fedora is considering offering KDE4 as the default installation for Fedora 22. Cheers! Roman -------------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Get it! Discover it! Share it! -------------------------------------------- http://linuxcounter.net/ #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 03/27/2014 03:04 PM, Roman Bysh wrote:
On 03/27/2014 02:41 PM, Raymond Wooninck wrote:
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
On the other hand it would be getting ride of a lot of repositories and maintenance work.
So we would like to have your feedback if we should stay with the current approach (KDE:Release:XY and KDE:Distro:Factory) or to move to KDE:Latest (which tracks the latest and highest release, building for all openSUSE releases) and KDE:Distro:Factory (which would hold Beta's and RC's and builds for Factory and the latest oS release).
As that 4.13 is about to be released, we want to make the decision latest on Monday so that we can either release KDE:Latest or KDE:Release:413 with KDE 4.13
Thank you. your openSUSE KDE Community Team
If we were to choose the latest proposal, it would reduce the tremendous amount of time and work required to build and monitor each repository.
This would give more time to resolve bugs, close bug reports and offer a slicker product. Especially since Fedora is considering offering KDE4 as the default installation for Fedora 22. Follow Up
What about Plasma Next? -- Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 27 of March 2014 20:11:41 Roman Bysh wrote: ....
Follow Up
What about Plasma Next?
Hi Roman, depending on upstream schedule, and software state, it's possible we'll have at least some components in 13.2 (Note that upstream has no intention of making Plasma Next co-installable - excuse me for the language, but think of it as GNOME2 -> GNOME3 transition). Until then, you're free to test the current state in KDE:Unstable:Frameworks (which can be safely installed with your stable desktop) =) Cheers, Hrvoje
On 03/27/2014 03:24 PM, šumski wrote:
On Thursday 27 of March 2014 20:11:41 Roman Bysh wrote: ....
Follow Up
What about Plasma Next?
Hi Roman, depending on upstream schedule, and software state, it's possible we'll have at least some components in 13.2 (Note that upstream has no intention of making Plasma Next co-installable - excuse me for the language, but think of it as GNOME2 -> GNOME3 transition). Until then, you're free to test the current state in KDE:Unstable:Frameworks (which can be safely installed with your stable desktop) =)
Cheers, Hrvoje
I know it's still in Alpha. According to kde.org it should be stable by the time 13.2 is released. Hopefully we wont run into the same problem GNOME is experiencing with the GNOME2 -> GNOME3 transition. lol Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 27 of March 2014 20:34:03 Roman Bysh wrote:
On 03/27/2014 03:24 PM, šumski wrote:
On Thursday 27 of March 2014 20:11:41 Roman Bysh wrote: ....
Follow Up
What about Plasma Next?
Hi Roman, depending on upstream schedule, and software state, it's possible we'll have at least some components in 13.2 (Note that upstream has no intention of making Plasma Next co-installable - excuse me for the language, but think of it as GNOME2 -> GNOME3 transition). Until then, you're free to test the current state in KDE:Unstable:Frameworks (which can be safely installed with your stable desktop) =)
Cheers, Hrvoje
I know it's still in Alpha. According to kde.org it should be stable by the time 13.2 is released.
There's stable, and there's stable ;-) Cheers, Hrvoje
On Thursday 27 March 2014 20:36:20 šumski wrote:
On Thursday 27 of March 2014 20:34:03 Roman Bysh wrote:
On 03/27/2014 03:24 PM, šumski wrote:
On Thursday 27 of March 2014 20:11:41 Roman Bysh wrote: ....
Follow Up
What about Plasma Next?
Hi Roman, depending on upstream schedule, and software state, it's possible we'll have at least some components in 13.2 (Note that upstream has no intention of making Plasma Next co-installable - excuse me for the language, but think of it as GNOME2 -> GNOME3 transition). Until then, you're free to test the current state in KDE:Unstable:Frameworks (which can be safely installed with your stable desktop) =)
Cheers, Hrvoje
I know it's still in Alpha. According to kde.org it should be stable by the time 13.2 is released.
There's stable, and there's stable ;-)
True, but - release in June/July so plenty of time to asses the 'stable' part. And following the plans and discussions I can imagine it will be quite doable, perhaps in ways better than the 4.x series ever was... :D
Cheers, Hrvoje
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My vote is to change to lastest. Best regards. Alfonso alfonso@udc.es O Xoves, 27 de Marzo de 2014 15:04:38 Roman Bysh escribiu:
On 03/27/2014 02:41 PM, Raymond Wooninck wrote:
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
On the other hand it would be getting ride of a lot of repositories and maintenance work.
So we would like to have your feedback if we should stay with the current approach (KDE:Release:XY and KDE:Distro:Factory) or to move to KDE:Latest (which tracks the latest and highest release, building for all openSUSE releases) and KDE:Distro:Factory (which would hold Beta's and RC's and builds for Factory and the latest oS release).
As that 4.13 is about to be released, we want to make the decision latest on Monday so that we can either release KDE:Latest or KDE:Release:413 with KDE 4.13
Thank you. your openSUSE KDE Community Team
If we were to choose the latest proposal, it would reduce the tremendous amount of time and work required to build and monitor each repository.
This would give more time to resolve bugs, close bug reports and offer a slicker product. Especially since Fedora is considering offering KDE4 as the default installation for Fedora 22.
Cheers!
Roman -------------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Get it! Discover it! Share it! -------------------------------------------- http://linuxcounter.net/ #179293
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On Thursday 27 of March 2014 19:41:29 Raymond Wooninck wrote:
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions. ...snip...
i would just like to add, that this would reduce the KDE:Extra maintenance/load significantly i think: both for users (as people in practice need to adjust both KRxy and K:E paths in repos.d.) and maintainers ( i don't have the data - but at least from some glancing at OBS repos, KDE:Extra is, if not the largest, certainly one of the top contenders for that spot) Cheers, Hrvoje
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I think it is very good idea! Let's have version of KDE coming with openSUSE release or actual upstream. When I'm having extra work with repositories, why should I stuck with older release of KDE? Also Jos' idea about check box is nice. The same could apply also for next DEs, but it is another discussion. Well, I definitely like the KDE:Latest idea. All the best! Vojtěch Dne 27.3.2014 19:41, Raymond Wooninck napsal(a):
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
On the other hand it would be getting ride of a lot of repositories and maintenance work.
So we would like to have your feedback if we should stay with the current approach (KDE:Release:XY and KDE:Distro:Factory) or to move to KDE:Latest (which tracks the latest and highest release, building for all openSUSE releases) and KDE:Distro:Factory (which would hold Beta's and RC's and builds for Factory and the latest oS release).
As that 4.13 is about to be released, we want to make the decision latest on Monday so that we can either release KDE:Latest or KDE:Release:413 with KDE 4.13
Thank you. your openSUSE KDE Community Team
-- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/cs
Torsdag den 27. marts 2014 19:41:29 skrev Raymond Wooninck:
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
On the other hand it would be getting ride of a lot of repositories and maintenance work.
I support the suggestion. A choice between latest KDE release and the official, tested, stable packages should be enough (not to mention kde unstable and kde5 devel snapshots of course). Especially considering that kdelibs and plasma workspace are feature frozen anyway (if you disregard little things like Baloo ;-), and the ultra short release cycles for these last KDE4 releases (3-4 months). Not only will this save time and let the KDE team focus on more important things. It will also save some significant build power and space on the OBS I should think. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 27. März 2014, 20:26:38 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Torsdag den 27. marts 2014 19:41:29 skrev Raymond Wooninck:
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
On the other hand it would be getting ride of a lot of repositories and maintenance work.
I support the suggestion. A choice between latest KDE release and the official, tested, stable packages should be enough (not to mention kde unstable and kde5 devel snapshots of course).
Especially considering that kdelibs and plasma workspace are feature frozen anyway (if you disregard little things like Baloo ;-), and the ultra short release cycles for these last KDE4 releases (3-4 months).
Not only will this save time and let the KDE team focus on more important things. It will also save some significant build power and space on the OBS I should think.
I agree with everything Martin said. So basically a +1 from me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
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Am Donnerstag, 27. März 2014, 20:26:38 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Torsdag den 27. marts 2014 19:41:29 skrev Raymond Wooninck: [...]
I support the suggestion. A choice between latest KDE release and the official, tested, stable packages should be enough (not to mention kde unstable and kde5 devel snapshots of course).
[...]
Not only will this save time and let the KDE team focus on more important things. It will also save some significant build power and space on the OBS I should think.
I agree with everything Martin said. So basically a +1 from me.
And +1 from me. Bob - -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.11.10-7-desktop Distro: openSUSE 13.1 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.12.3 Uptime: 06:00am up 4 days 19:51, 4 users, load average: 0.37, 0.18, 0.15 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlM1SDUACgkQ0Sr7eZJrmU7/EwCcCZiropP/HC8xUKNVaxIJINYC X0AAnA84s6cUGQi95eMquiYCslDxvgw8 =8z/B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 27 of March 2014 19:41:29 Raymond Wooninck wrote:
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
Go ahead, I've never used anything other than latest and factory. Having more than two stable branches seems to be too much work for negligible gain.
Thank you. your openSUSE KDE Community Team
Regards, Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
op 27-03-14 19:41, Raymond Wooninck schreef:
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
On the other hand it would be getting ride of a lot of repositories and maintenance work.
So we would like to have your feedback if we should stay with the current approach (KDE:Release:XY and KDE:Distro:Factory) or to move to KDE:Latest (which tracks the latest and highest release, building for all openSUSE releases) and KDE:Distro:Factory (which would hold Beta's and RC's and builds for Factory and the latest oS release).
As that 4.13 is about to be released, we want to make the decision latest on Monday so that we can either release KDE:Latest or KDE:Release:413 with KDE 4.13
Thank you. your openSUSE KDE Community Team I think the reasoning is sound. If I want stability, I stay with the KDE version of the openSUSE release, if for some reason I want to update, I update to the latest (and if there I problems, I must pay the team a compliment, because in my experience they are quickly solved).
If KDE 5 (or whatever it is named) is released, does this mean that KDE:Latest will also move to that? Cor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 27 March 2014 20:34:32 Cor Blom wrote: Goeienavond Cor, :)
If KDE 5 (or whatever it is named) is released, does this mean that KDE:Latest will also move to that?
No. At least not until KF5 has proven itself stable and mature enough (to put it that way). As far as I know there might be still some KDE4 updates coming during the period where everything migrates to KF5, so we will see KDE:Latest and KDE:Frameworks5 co-existing for some time. And here the split between the two makes perfectly sense in my opinion as that we might have users that want to remain with KDE4 for some longer period. Regards Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 27. März 2014, 19:41:29 schrieb Raymond Wooninck:
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
I amfine with that. On my machines I usually use the latest version and it would be nice to have no additional work with those.
From time to time I use KDE:Distro:Factory, too. But in this case I am fine with having some additional work.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
There are some people who like to use older KDE versions. Those mostly match those who like to stay with older openSUSE-Version, too, what multiplies the work neccessary to keep those Repos working.
On the other hand it would be getting ride of a lot of repositories and maintenance work.
IMO the latest und next for the last two openSUSE Releases would be sufficient.
So we would like to have your feedback if we should stay with the current approach (KDE:Release:XY and KDE:Distro:Factory) or to move to KDE:Latest (which tracks the latest and highest release, building for all openSUSE releases) and KDE:Distro:Factory (which would hold Beta's and RC's and builds for Factory and the latest oS release).
As that 4.13 is about to be released, we want to make the decision latest on Monday so that we can either release KDE:Latest or KDE:Release:413 with KDE 4.13
Please do this... +1 Herbert -- “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Albert Einstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 27 March 2014 19.41:29 Raymond Wooninck wrote:
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
On the other hand it would be getting ride of a lot of repositories and maintenance work.
So we would like to have your feedback if we should stay with the current approach (KDE:Release:XY and KDE:Distro:Factory) or to move to KDE:Latest (which tracks the latest and highest release, building for all openSUSE releases) and KDE:Distro:Factory (which would hold Beta's and RC's and builds for Factory and the latest oS release).
As that 4.13 is about to be released, we want to make the decision latest on Monday so that we can either release KDE:Latest or KDE:Release:413 with KDE 4.13
Thank you. your openSUSE KDE Community Team
Maintenance is always a nightmare and a way to dissolute concentration and efforts. We want high quality package. So in the case we always keep a small delay between the upstream release, the build time and test time in KDF I throw a green flag for having kde:current ( more correct naming scheme in openSUSE repo) Could we sync packman on the idea to have a build done against that repo too ? -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Dnia czwartek, 27 marca 2014 19:41:29 Raymond Wooninck pisze:
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
I like this new idea. For more conservative users, there is a KDE shipped with openSUSE (and maintenance updates) and for those who want to follow stable KDE releases KDE:Latest would do the job ;-) This switch should also save some space and power of our beloved obs.
On the other hand it would be getting ride of a lot of repositories and maintenance work.
So we would like to have your feedback if we should stay with the current approach (KDE:Release:XY and KDE:Distro:Factory) or to move to KDE:Latest (which tracks the latest and highest release, building for all openSUSE releases) and KDE:Distro:Factory (which would hold Beta's and RC's and builds for Factory and the latest oS release).
As that 4.13 is about to be released, we want to make the decision latest on Monday so that we can either release KDE:Latest or KDE:Release:413 with KDE 4.13
Thank you. your openSUSE KDE Community Team
-- Pozdrawiam / Best regards, Mariusz Fik openSUSE Community Member GPG: 5FCE 7241 B3B9 32FD 455B C30E 42D6 6C88 9E83 7C3D
On 28/03/14 05:41, Raymond Wooninck wrote:
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions. [pruned]
As that 4.13 is about to be released, we want to make the decision latest on Monday so that we can either release KDE:Latest or KDE:Release:413 with KDE 4.13
Thank you. your openSUSE KDE Community Team
I consider this question to be a 'no-brainer'. The only course to take is to have the new repo called KDE:/Latest and be done with it. BC -- A civilisation is judged by how it treats the most vulnerable. Lauren Smith - 30 January 2014 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 27 März 2014, 19:41:29 schrieb Raymond Wooninck:
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
quick question: can there be a project/repo in OBS that "under the hood" is just a link/pointer to another existing repo? If that could be done we could just keep using the regular "KDE:Release:413" that "oldbies" would expect, but also have a "KDE:Release:Current" that would always point at the latest official release... Cheers MH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday, March 27, 2014 19:41:29 Raymond Wooninck wrote:
Dear Listmates,
With 4.13 on the close horizon, we got the question again if the KDE:Release:XY are really such a good idea as that this would mean that users constantly have to switch and also these repo's are not always build against all openSUSE versions.
We got the proposal to move to a single repository named KDE:Latest which holds the latest KDE release and is build against all supported openSUSE releases. This means that if a user wants to track the latest KDE releases, he/she only have to add this repository for his openSUSE release version and from that moment onward every new release is automagically delivered.
Downside is that the user no longer has a choice which KDE release. The only choice is whether to stay with the KDE release coming with the openSUSE release (and the possible maintenance updates) or to switch to the KDE:Latest repo.
On the other hand it would be getting ride of a lot of repositories and maintenance work.
So we would like to have your feedback if we should stay with the current approach (KDE:Release:XY and KDE:Distro:Factory) or to move to KDE:Latest (which tracks the latest and highest release, building for all openSUSE releases) and KDE:Distro:Factory (which would hold Beta's and RC's and builds for Factory and the latest oS release).
As that 4.13 is about to be released, we want to make the decision latest on Monday so that we can either release KDE:Latest or KDE:Release:413 with KDE 4.13
Thank you. your openSUSE KDE Community Team
Hi, Having read all the opinions, it looks like (from my sofa :) ) this would solve most of the issues raised: old:stable with extended support that covers two oSS releases. Linked from Evergreen maybe? new:testing for next KDE release. new:factory for unstable. Kind regards, Jason -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday 28 March 2014 17:41:30 Jason wrote: Hi Jason,
Having read all the opinions, it looks like (from my sofa :) ) this would solve most of the issues raised:
old:stable with extended support that covers two oSS releases. Linked from Evergreen maybe? What is old ? Which KDE release do you want to put here ?
new:testing for next KDE release. This the current KDE:Distro:Factory
new:factory for unstable.
This one we have as KDE:Unstable:SC In this proposal I am still missing we were will put the Current/Latest KDE release ? Regards Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Dear List Mates, Thank you for your feedback on our question regarin the future KDE repository. Based on this, we can conclude that the majority is in favor of creating a single repository where we track the current KDE release. The name for this repository will be KDE:Current and will initially be build for oS 12.3, oS 13.1 and Tumbleweed. The repositories KDE:Release:XY will be cleaned and removed. Initially KDE:Current will be delivered with 4.12.4 as that the KDE 4.13 is scheduled for mid April. Also the repository KDE:Extra and KDE:Unstable:Extra will change as that some of the building targets (KDE:Release:XY) are disappearing and be replaced with KDE:Current. The changes will happen during the weekend and I will send out regular updates out. We will not delete any KDE:Release:XY repository until the changes have been published. However we will disable the builds for everything related to KDE:Release:XY. We will also update the openSUSE KDE repository wiki page, which will become a lot simpler and easier for people. Regards Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Raymond Wooninck writes:
The name for this repository will be KDE:Current and will initially be build for oS 12.3, oS 13.1 and Tumbleweed.
So there will be no KDE in Tumbleweed anymore and instead we should use KDE:Current? Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ Waldorf MIDI Implementation & additional documentation: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfDocs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday 28 March 2014 14:16:43 Achim Gratz wrote:
Raymond Wooninck writes:
The name for this repository will be KDE:Current and will initially be build for oS 12.3, oS 13.1 and Tumbleweed.
So there will be no KDE in Tumbleweed anymore and instead we should use KDE:Current?
Hi Achim, After I send the message I also realized this and that Greg builds it in Tumbleweed. I don't know what the preference is from Greg or the Tumbleweed users. For now I am just building for oS 12.3 and oS 13.1. Regards Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Raymond Wooninck writes:
After I send the message I also realized this and that Greg builds it in Tumbleweed. I don't know what the preference is from Greg or the Tumbleweed users. For now I am just building for oS 12.3 and oS 13.1.
One Tumbleweed user here: I would prefer if KDE:Current was built for Tumbleweed. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ Samples for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldSamplesExtra -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Raymond, On Friday, March 28, 2014 10:52:12 Raymond Wooninck wrote:
On Friday 28 March 2014 17:41:30 Jason wrote: Hi Jason,
Having read all the opinions, it looks like (from my sofa :) ) this would
solve most of the issues raised: old:stable with extended support that covers two oSS releases. Linked from
Evergreen maybe?
What is old ? Which KDE release do you want to put here ?
Few people here mentioned 4.9 and few others. I'd say to start with old:stable branch with release of LTS/Evergreen and keep it at this version during it's lifetime, which would now mean next two regular oSS releases.
new:testing for next KDE release.
This the current KDE:Distro:Factory
Meant exactly what you meant with your 'latest' suggestion, which I see anyway as testing. Factory is basically unstable below. Drop release partitioning that is now and just have it synced with latest release after it passed through unstable.
new:factory for unstable.
This one we have as KDE:Unstable:SC
In this proposal I am still missing we were will put the Current/Latest KDE release ?
No, you're not, semantics were not cleared from my side, sorry about that. Thank you!
Regards Raymond
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