[opensuse-kde] kmail2 = unusable piece of sh*t.
Don't they test this stuff anymore? I've upgraded to KDE 4.7 from OBS. I've sat through 25 minutes of idunnowhat, akonadi/kmail "ressource migration". the result: kmail2 takes several minutes to start up, does not fetch mail from my imap accounts, and can't even delete a mail from the one folder that *does* show new mails. Yeee-haw, rollback time. -- gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C () ascii ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Torsdag den 28. juli 2011 19:23:18 skrev Mathias Homann:
Don't they test this stuff anymore?
If you weren't aware that kdepim 4.4 -> 4.7 migration was potentially very painful, you must live under rocks and bushes. And there have been a repo with which you could have tested ages ago. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 28. Juli 2011 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Torsdag den 28. juli 2011 19:23:18 skrev Mathias Homann:
Don't they test this stuff anymore?
If you weren't aware that kdepim 4.4 -> 4.7 migration was potentially very painful, you must live under rocks and bushes.
And there have been a repo with which you could have tested ages ago.
man reallife man dayjob -- gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C () ascii ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:40:51 +0530, Mathias Homann
Am Donnerstag, 28. Juli 2011 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Torsdag den 28. juli 2011 19:23:18 skrev Mathias Homann:
Don't they test this stuff anymore?
If you weren't aware that kdepim 4.4 -> 4.7 migration was potentially very painful, you must live under rocks and bushes.
And there have been a repo with which you could have tested ages ago.
man reallife man dayjob
which doesn't apply to many of the people who actually make these releases happen, right? they have neither real life nor day job. their only reason to exist is developing KDE to our full satisfaction. how dare they make mistakes! -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
* Mathias Homann
Am Donnerstag, 28. Juli 2011 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Torsdag den 28. juli 2011 19:23:18 skrev Mathias Homann:
Don't they test this stuff anymore?
If you weren't aware that kdepim 4.4 -> 4.7 migration was potentially very painful, you must live under rocks and bushes.
And there have been a repo with which you could have tested ages ago.
man reallife man dayjob
a night job would solve all yer probs. No time for computers. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Torsdag den 28. juli 2011 20:10:51 skrev Mathias Homann:
Am Donnerstag, 28. Juli 2011 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Torsdag den 28. juli 2011 19:23:18 skrev Mathias Homann:
Don't they test this stuff anymore?
If you weren't aware that kdepim 4.4 -> 4.7 migration was potentially very painful, you must live under rocks and bushes.
And there have been a repo with which you could have tested ages ago.
man reallife man dayjob -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Torsdag den 28. juli 2011 20:42:19 skrev Martin Schlander:
Torsdag den 28. juli 2011 20:10:51 skrev Mathias Homann:
Am Donnerstag, 28. Juli 2011 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Torsdag den 28. juli 2011 19:23:18 skrev Mathias Homann:
Don't they test this stuff anymore?
If you weren't aware that kdepim 4.4 -> 4.7 migration was potentially very painful, you must live under rocks and bushes.
And there have been a repo with which you could have tested ages ago.
man reallife man dayjob
Oops. I wanted to know why people who are so busy with reallife and dayjobs have time to toy around with unsupported repos all the time. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Martin Schlander wrote:
Torsdag den 28. juli 2011 20:42:19 skrev Martin Schlander:
Torsdag den 28. juli 2011 20:10:51 skrev Mathias Homann:
Am Donnerstag, 28. Juli 2011 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Torsdag den 28. juli 2011 19:23:18 skrev Mathias Homann:
Don't they test this stuff anymore?
If you weren't aware that kdepim 4.4 -> 4.7 migration was potentially very painful, you must live under rocks and bushes.
And there have been a repo with which you could have tested ages ago.
man reallife man dayjob
Oops. I wanted to know why people who are so busy with reallife and dayjobs have time to toy around with unsupported repos all the time.
We have a small amount of time. Once this time frame expires we need to get back to work. If any update (unsupported repo or otherwise) is a problem which is going to take longer than my lunch break to resolve I must roll back, forget the update, and return to $day_job. Circle back to the problem later. -Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 28. Juli 2011 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Torsdag den 28. juli 2011 19:23:18 skrev Mathias Homann:
Don't they test this stuff anymore?
Lol - Who are "they" and how do "they" define "test"? Add the binaries to a repo so users can update and discover what's broken? Then ignore any user complaints because the user didn't spend the time to learn how to properly file bug PRs to "their" satisfaction? There is this disconnect because the end-user depends on his computer as a tool to accomplish other work, for which the end-user is paid for his time. Many end-users, no matter how well intentioned, simply don't have enough hours in the day. I know I _should_ be learning and filing "correct approach" bug PRs, but yet I never quite seem to get there because priorities demand I make a living and such things always slide towards the back burner. The devs depend on this feedback being done in a very precise way, and most end users never fully reach an ability to do this properly, hence the quick rant vs a proper bug PR. I know I'm guilty! And I also know I should change this for myself.
If you weren't aware that kdepim 4.4 -> 4.7 migration was potentially very painful, you must live under rocks and bushes.
I loosely follow the development as a lurker for as much of this information as I can glean as an end-user. So I may be aware of a certain amount of the pitfalls and prepare accordingly by always having a Clonezilla image ready prior to any update.
And there have been a repo with which you could have tested ages ago.
Yes - and after any test with less than "great" results end up rolling back to the previously saved Clonezilla image because I ran out of "playtime" and needed to return to work. Generally I've found that as the deficiencies get more "air time" they do end up getting taken care of and some subsequent update in the future they usually disppear of their own accord. Kudos to the devs for this, most of the time it's just "give it some time, try again later, and now it's good".
man reallife man dayjob
It is easy to fixate on what isn't working, but on the whole the other 98.5% of what does work, and work well, does get better with time and updating. In spite of some KMail2 upgrade pain that I know I can straighten out when I put sufficient time towards doing so, I also feel it should be said "Thank- you" to everyone for all the rest of stuff that is working great. -Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
At donderdag 28 juli 2011 19:23:18 wrote Mathias Homann:
I've upgraded to KDE 4.7 from OBS. I've sat through 25 minutes of idunnowhat, akonadi/kmail "ressource migration".
the result:
kmail2 takes several minutes to start up, does not fetch mail from my imap accounts, and can't even delete a mail from the one folder that does show new mails.
Yeee-haw, rollback time.
Is that possible? Is it indeed possible to go-back to the non-akonadi kmail? Is that done easily (by just downgrading the packages)? -- Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 28. Juli 2011 schrieb Richard Bos:
Yeee-haw, rollback time.
Is that possible? Is it indeed possible to go-back to the non-akonadi kmail? Is that done easily (by just downgrading the packages)?
it worked. painfully, but it is possible to rollback to K:R:46 and kontact/kmail 4.4.1. had to add/modify all my mail acocunts after, and get rid of the akonadi-imap ressources. now how do i tell my system to stick with the packages from KDE_Release_46_kdepim46... -- gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C () ascii ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday, July 28, 2011 01:02:07 PM Mathias Homann wrote:
now how do i tell my system to stick with the packages from KDE_Release_46_kdepim46...
Put lock on them. It will prevent changes to package status. You can use zypper or YaST to do that. In YaST Software Management, highlight package, right click and select lock from options. For zypper I'll use your way :-) man zypper It is is easy to spot solution after page opens and you type: /lock<Enter> / - to invoke search in "less" (man page reader) lock - is search term <Enter> is a key on a keyboard (I know that above is a lot more then asked. Just take what you need and leave the rest for other readers.) HTMyL (Hope This Makes you Laugh) -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Hi Mathias, I understand your frustration but there is no need to get into scatological vocabulary to show it... I use kmail2 without major issues... However if you have a complicated setup with many personalised things I expect the migration tool to be problematic (based on previous experiences with migration tools). What I can advise is to try to start with a clean setup for your kmail2 and I am sure a much better experience would be the end... regards, Alin On Thu 28 Jul 2011 19:23:18 Mathias Homann wrote:
Don't they test this stuff anymore?
I've upgraded to KDE 4.7 from OBS. I've sat through 25 minutes of idunnowhat, akonadi/kmail "ressource migration".
the result:
kmail2 takes several minutes to start up, does not fetch mail from my imap accounts, and can't even delete a mail from the one folder that *does* show new mails.
Yeee-haw, rollback time. -- Without Questions there are no Answers!
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Am Donnerstag, 28. Juli 2011, 18:42:06 schrieb Alin Marin Elena:
What I can advise is to try to start with a clean setup for your kmail2 and I am sure a much better experience would be the end...
No, not really... :-( best regards Marco -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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