On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

But before even using pacucontrol you need to install alsamixer (in Yast its inside another package) and then in a terminal run 'alsamixer' - use F6 to select which sound device you are using [onboard sound or card0 then use F5 to show all the channels available; having something playing (even though you not hear anything) then use the 'm' key to activate/deactivate the channels. There will be a combination of these channels which you open which will produce your sound. Oh, using the up/down arrow while on a channel will increase/decreas its volume.

Ummm.. what? Why would you suggest to do this? It's not doing any harm, but... it's not necessary. I do a default install, add pavucontrol and that's it. On 12.3 (and 12.2.... cant' remember farther back) I've never had to explicitly add alsamixer. I only add pavucontrol as well because (on every machine I've installed it) Skype can't seem to get its poop in order and configure sound correctly without it. C. -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.10 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-08-07 11:11 (GMT+0200) Luca Beltrame composed:

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have anything to do with this? Is there some kde package that KDE sounds and/or KMix depend on that isn't getting pulled in as a hard dependency (phonon/libphonon4?)?

Please check which Phonon backend you have (it should be either phonon- backend-gstreamer or phonon-backend-vlc).

# rpm -qa | grep phon f18: phonon-4.6.0-5.fc18.x86_64 phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.3-1.fc18.x86_64 f19: phonon-4.6.0-7.fc19.x86_64 phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.3-1.fc19.x86_64 mageia 3: lib64phonon4-4.6.0-4.mga3 phonon-vlc-0.6.2-1.mga3 12.1 (KDE3): libphonon4-4.5.0-9.1.2.x86_64 12.2 (Trinity, where apparently sounds all work): (null) 12.3 (KDE 4.10.5): libphonon4-4.6.0-7.4.1.x86_64 13.1M3 (KDE 4.10.97): libphonon4-4.6.0-10.4.x86_64 So, apparently in openSUSE, no part of sound system in KDE that depends on some phonon backend being installed forces any to be installed. :-( -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-08-07 14:11 (GMT+0200) šumski composed:

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So, apparently in openSUSE, no part of sound system in KDE that depends on some phonon backend being installed forces any to be installed. :-(

IIRC phonon-backend-gstreamer is a part of a pattern, and libphonon4 recommends virtual phonon-backend package. Just note that currently in 13.1/Factory, only working backend is vlc's.

Patterns installed on currently booted thread subject host's 13.1m3: patterns-openSUSE-base-13.1-6.3.x86_64 patterns-openSUSE-enhanced_base-13.1-6.3.x86_64 patterns-openSUSE-enhanced_base_opt-13.1-6.3.x86_64 patterns-openSUSE-fonts-13.1-6.3.x86_64 patterns-openSUSE-fonts_opt-13.1-6.3.x86_64 patterns-openSUSE-sw_management-13.1-6.3.x86_64 patterns-openSUSE-update_test-13.1-6.3.x86_64 patterns-openSUSE-x11-13.1-6.3.x86_64 patterns-openSUSE-x11_opt-13.1-6.3.x86_64 patterns-openSUSE-x11_yast-13.1-6.3.x86_64 Absence of *kde* in that list is probably because I always install minimal along with tabooing such things I never use as kdepim4, ktorrent, kontact, konversation, kopete & kmail, which saves both disk space and update bandwidth. From the list of available kde patterns, it's not obvious which if any provides a minimal KDE environment. I've never figured out if there is a way using zypper to get a useful pattern package description. If I knew of one I'd be using it. I don't suppose anyone can tell me why if I zypper in Factory's 0.6.2 only it, libvlc5 and libvlccore5 will be installed, but if I want Packman's (0.6.0), 39 packages will be installed (almost same result as 'zypper in vlc', which will install 38, of which phonon-backend-vlc is conspicuously absent), can anyone? Since I want Packman's vlc anyway, but just haven't gotten around to it yet on 13.1 because of $SUBJECT, I'm puzzled what I should do next. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Please check which Phonon backend you have (it should be either phonon- backend-gstreamer or phonon-backend-vlc).

zypper -v in phonon-backend-vlc-0.6.2-1.1 fixed this in 13.1m3, and 0.6.0-1.3 in 12.3.

I have at least two 13.1B1/KDE4 systems with Intel audio and no sounds from KDE, in spite of phonon-backend-vlc-0.6.80 being installed. YaST2 does play a test sound. Kmix shows two sliders described as for "Built-In Audio Analog Stereo". Shortly after login, a window pops up saying "Phonon's VLC backend failed to start". Can sound from KDE in 13.1B1 currently be made to work with without gstreamer*? Some weeks ago I remember reading here or on Factory list that gstreamer backend was broken. I don't see much point in installing gstreamer* on a system that's going to have VLC regardless. Does http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/SUSE/xsession-errors-gx270-os131b1.txt help? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-10-05 09:09 (GMT+0200) Luca Beltrame composed:

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Analog Stereo". Shortly after login, a window pops up saying "Phonon's VLC backend failed to start". Can sound from KDE in 13.1B1 currently be made to

Which VLC version are you using? This happens if phonon-vlc is built against a major (and incompatible) version of VLC and you have a different version installed.

I can't tell about this "build against". Installed packages and other info at: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/SUSE/gx28b-os131b1.txt This is third 13.1b1/KDE4 system found here so far with no KDE sound, but this one doesn't have test sound from YaST2 working either, even though YaST2 says the sound device is configured. Note that I don't even have VideoLAN repo configured on this host. I have standard repos, plus Mozilla, plus X11:XOrg only, and finished zypper dup just minutes before latest test only minutes ago. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-10-05 10:55 (GMT+0200) šumski composed:

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I can't tell about this "build against". Installed packages and other info at: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/SUSE/gx28b-os131b1.txt

Could you try installing vlc-noX (and possibly also vlc) package? If that doesn't work, can you try with env variables[1] for more debug?

-------- [1] http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/Phonon#Environment_V...

That third system apparently has broken sound no matter which release of openSUSE or Fedora I boot, so I've put it aside. On a fourth system with 13.1b1, 4.11.2 and Intel sound, with KDE4 sound working when booted to 12.1, I don't ever even get an error message that says phonon-backend-vlc failed to start. YaST2 test sound works, but KDE4 system sounds still aren't happening. This has uname, lsmod, hwinfo, repos, installed rpms and .xsession-errors: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/SUSE/t2240-os131b1.txt Tail of /var/zypp/history/: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/SUSE/zypphistory-t2240.txt -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-10-05 21:27 (GMT+0200) šumski composed:

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This has uname, lsmod, hwinfo, repos, installed rpms and .xsession-errors: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/SUSE/t2240-os131b1.txt

Unfortunately, you've quited the session too early, not a single phonon debug line ...

I saw that. However. on none of the systems in this thread have I tried playing any AV apps. These are test systems. None have normal users configured, or if they do, I've not used them for this thread. One expects with sound configured by installing the necessary packages after hearing the YaST2 test sound to automatically hear the KDE start session sound and end session sound at appropriate times. That's not happening on any of them. On this one, since there appeared no error popup telling me that the phonon-backend-vlc failed to start, it makes me think that it isn't sound itself that's the problem, but KDE not recognizing that a session is starting or ending. Same system booted to 12.3 works as expected (no manual configuration required for KDE4 start and stop sounds to work): http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/SUSE/t2240-os123.txt -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/10/13 16:29, Felix Miata wrote:

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Please check which Phonon backend you have (it should be either phonon- backend-gstreamer or phonon-backend-vlc).

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zypper -v in phonon-backend-vlc-0.6.2-1.1 fixed this in 13.1m3, and 0.6.0-1.3 in 12.3.

I have at least two 13.1B1/KDE4 systems with Intel audio and no sounds from KDE, in spite of phonon-backend-vlc-0.6.80 being installed. YaST2 does play a test sound. Kmix shows two sliders described as for "Built-In Audio Analog Stereo". Shortly after login, a window pops up saying "Phonon's VLC backend failed to start". Can sound from KDE in 13.1B1 currently be made to work with without gstreamer*? Some weeks ago I remember reading here or on Factory list that gstreamer backend was broken. I don't see much point in installing gstreamer* on a system that's going to have VLC regardless.

Does http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/SUSE/xsession-errors-gx270-os131b1.txt help?

In the first instance, do you have alsamixer installed and have you used it to configure your sound card/chip and the channels? Until you do this you won't get any sound. Secondly, if you want to get a working version of VLC then install it from- videolan.org/pub/vlc/SuSE/Factory The one in Beta #1 is - ahem.... - well...... just install the one from videolan.org. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/10/13 00:52, šumski wrote:

On Saturday 05 of October 2013 20:24:08 Basil Chupin wrote:

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In the first instance, do you have alsamixer installed and have you used it to configure your sound card/chip and the channels? Until you do this you won't get any sound. Why that? I am using factory, and as far as i recall, i never needed to utilize alsamixer to get some music on ;-) At least from Felixes description, it seems he is using PA.

As I already state, one does not need PA to get sound but do need to configure your sound card/chip with alsamixer first.

Secondly, if you want to get a working version of VLC then install it from-

videolan.org/pub/vlc/SuSE/Factory The one in Beta #1 is - ahem.... - well...... just install the one from videolan.org. Also, why that? What is wrong with the vlc package? Only possible missing thing is the codecs package, which is an aditional package on top of the (lib)vlc ones from standard repos.

Everytime VLC gets installed or updated from the oS repos it goes dead and I don't get a peep out of it. So I had to manipulate the repo priorities in YaST to make sure that oS did not overwrite the installation from videolan - and now it all works as I expect it to perform. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-10-05 21:34 (GMT+0200) šumski composed:

Felix Miata wrote:

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I have at least two 13.1B1/KDE4 systems with Intel audio and no sounds from KDE, in spite of phonon-backend-vlc-0.6.80 being installed. YaST2 does play a test sound. Kmix shows two sliders described as for "Built-In Audio Analog Stereo". Shortly after login, a window pops up saying "Phonon's VLC backend failed to start". Can sound from KDE in 13.1B1 currently be made to work with without gstreamer*? Some weeks ago I remember reading here or on Factory list that gstreamer backend was broken. I don't see much point in installing gstreamer* on a system that's going to have VLC regardless.

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Does http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/SUSE/xsession-errors-gx270-os131b1.txt help?

OK, had a better look at this one now: [0x85dc9d8] main libvlc error: No plugins found! Check your VLC installation. PHONON-VLC [FATAL__] libVLC: could not initialize

As i suggested, does installing vlc-nox helps?

# zypper -v in vlc-noX (41 packages installed) No help, even after reboot. Additionally, there is no more any popup shortly after session startup telling me "Phonon's VLC backend failed to start", and no string containing phono in .xsession-errors, even after also installing vlc. Booting same host gx270 system to 12.3, which has only the 4 standard repos configured, no sound from KDE, and no additional packages required to install previously uninstalled kmix. zypper se -s vlc returns nothing, which begs the question: what exactly is required to have any sound at all in KDE without enabling any optional repos? Apparently something's different between 12.3 and 13.1, because 12.3's only phonon-backend to be found via zypper or yast2 search is (the ancient and obsolete) gstreamer-0_10, and installing it does make KDE4 12.3's sound work. Also, why doesn't installation of kmix depend on whatever sound support package(s) KDE depends on being installed? IOW, if some phonon-backend is a hard requirement, why is kmix allowed to install if neither phonon-backend has been or is being installed? Why is it whatever YaST2 depends on to play a test sound successfully isn't sufficient for sound in KDE to work? Put another way, shouldn't YaST2 be using the same method as the DE it's running in? (What's libphonon4 for?) -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-10-05 20:41 (GMT-0400) šumski composed:

On Saturday 05 of October 2013 19:39:00 Felix Miata wrote:

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No help, even after reboot. Additionally, there is no more any popup shortly after session startup telling me "Phonon's VLC backend failed to start", and no string containing phono in .xsession-errors, even after also installing vlc.

OK, that is now a bit strange already. Do you have there those phonon env's exported? yesno - can you try to open phonon's kcm and paste results?/can you try enabling them?

Apparently I cannot, so need help with what you want: # kcm bash: kcm: command not found # phonon bash: phonon: command not found # phonon-backend-vlc bash: phonon-backend-vlc: command not found # rpmqa vlc libvlc5-2.0.8a-5.2.1.i586 libvlccore5-2.0.8a-5.2.1.i586 phonon-backend-vlc-0.6.80~git20130930-1.1.i586 vlc-2.0.8a-5.2.1.i586 vlc-noX-2.0.8a-5.2.1.i586 vlc-qt-2.0.8a-5.2.1.i586 # hostname gx270 # set | grep PHONON PHONON_BACKEND_DEBUG=5 PHONON_DEBUG=5 PHONON_GST_DEBUG=5 PHONON_PULSEAUDIO_DEBUG=5 PHONON_SUBSYSTEM_DEBUG=2 PHONON_VLC_DEBUG=5 # zypper se -s kcm Retrieving repository 'OSS' metadata .... Building repository 'OSS' cache .... Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... No packages found. I couldn't tell about finding kcm from YaST2 either.

There is also option of installing vlc and vlc-codecs packages. With vlc package alone there should definitely be some sound, otherwise there is something else wrong. Could you check in KMix that default output isn't e.g. dummy or HDMI ?

Both sound card and sound device have only single options, "Built-in Audio" and profile "Analog Stereo Duplex" for the former, "Playback (Built-in Audio Analog Stereo)" and connector "Analog Output/Amplifier" for the latter. No available selection is dummy or HDMI.

Also would be good if you could try running phonon's sound test (kcmshell4 phonon, 2nd tab).

# kcmshell4 phonon http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/SUSE/kcmshell4-phonon-gx270.txt (12k) Test works, though could use some UI help. Even though test works, still no session start or end sounds. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On Sunday 06 October 2013 01:03:47 Felix Miata wrote: Hi Felix,

This is the first in thread where I used a regular user instead of root, thinking maybe the problem could have something to do with VLC being denied run access absent a bunch of extra hoop jumping to do so. It didn't help. Note the data is before installing VLC and its 4 or so extra deps over what vlc-noX requires, with only vlx-noX, phonon-backend-vlc and their deps installed. I tried again after installing VLC, but it didn't help. Still YaST2 can produce sound, but on this host, kcmshell4 phonon's #2 tab is for backend. There is no tab that provides an opportunity to test sound, even if done logged in as root.

Let's put one thing clear. Trying to produce sound in YaST2 doesn't have anything to do with the phonon setup, nor the fact that if it works in YaST2 it will work in KDE as well. Two different setups that are 80% different from eachother. The only thing they have in common is the computer hardware (speakers, soundboard). So given that YaST2 works, we can rule out that it is an hardware problem. So based on this there are three possible situations: 1) VLC does not work. Could you try to open VLC and play any mediafile (mp3, ogg, etc). If the media file is played correctly, then VLC is installed correctly. 2) Phonon might be installed wrong. Please open systemsettings, go to MultiMedia and select there Audio/Video settings. You should see now which devices phonon has recognized for which output category (notifications, music, etc). As that we are looking at system notifications, please click on notifications and see which device has been setup as default. Also click in the bottom part on "Test" to see if there is a sound output. If the device is correct and by using "Test" there is sound, then Phonon is setup correctly 3) Are the notifications enabled ? Again in systemsettings, go to Application and System notifications In the Event Source, select there "KDE Workspace" to see the notifications for login, logout, etc. Check if for the login the "Play a sound" is activated and if there is a soundfile indicated. Before the file is a button that you can press to test the sound. Please check if the sound plays correctly. Also check the Tab (Player Settings) and make sure that the option "Use the KDE Sound System" is active. Regards Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-10-06 11:56 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed:

It seems by default sound for login and logout are disabled. ... default disabling of login and logout sound is a bad policy. Is this set by openSUSE, or is it an uncorrected upstream default?

Ping! -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

* Raymond Wooninck [10-14-13 04:29]:

On Monday 14 October 2013 02:47:05 Felix Miata wrote:

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It seems by default sound for login and logout are disabled.

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default disabling of login and logout sound is a bad policy. Is this set by openSUSE, or is it an uncorrected upstream default?

Ping!

Pong. This was set upstream as an explicit default. It is left to the user to enable the login and logout sounds if that is the users wish. I don't think that there is any desire to change this behavior for the openSUSE packages.

Ping-Pong! I have no problem with this as a *default* policy but why does this *default* policy impose itself on updated installation rather than retaining the <user>'s already configured choice? I had logon/logoff sounds enabled and a recent update decided, unbeknownst to me, that it had a duty to reset them to "off". poor choice! -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

* šumski [10-14-13 09:57]:

On Monday 14 of October 2013 09:43:32 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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It seems by default sound for login and logout are disabled.

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default disabling of login and logout sound is a bad policy. Is this set by openSUSE, or is it an uncorrected upstream default?

Ping!

Pong. This was set upstream as an explicit default. It is left to the user to enable the login and logout sounds if that is the users wish. I don't think that there is any desire to change this behavior for the openSUSE packages. Ping-Pong!

I have no problem with this as a *default* policy but why does this *default* policy impose itself on updated installation rather than retaining the <user>'s already configured choice?

I had logon/logoff sounds enabled and a recent update decided, unbeknownst to me, that it had a duty to reset them to "off".

poor choice!

Change is effective for those that *did not* change any setting, and relied on upstream setting as is. If one would explicitly enable/disable a setting per user, and upstream would change that, users setting would be left intact.

"POINT" is: I had not changed that setting as I was satisfied with it. The change was w/o my knowledge or intention which is *wrong*. There are *many* _default_ settings which one accepts as satisfactory/desired. Are *they* now subject to change w/o my knowledge or intent. Again "very poor choice". A default choice is for something new and/or previously unset, not to apply to setting previously chosen or applied by "default". -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

* Raymond Wooninck [10-14-13 10:11]:

On Monday 14 October 2013 10:06:17 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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"POINT" is: I had not changed that setting as I was satisfied with it. The change was w/o my knowledge or intention which is *wrong*. There are *many* _default_ settings which one accepts as satisfactory/desired. Are *they* now subject to change w/o my knowledge or intent.

Again "very poor choice". A default choice is for something new and/or previously unset, not to apply to setting previously chosen or applied by "default".

Patrick,

As indicated before already, this was a change that was made upstream. So if you disagree with this one, then maybe it would be good to bring this discussion upstream by raising a bug report on bugs.kde.org

Bug #326009 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326009 choose systemsettings ?? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

* šumski [10-14-13 11:55]:

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Bug #326009 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326009

choose systemsettings ??

Note that you can easily enable those sounds. IMHO this is logical procedure, as otherwise folks that are continuously upgrading since e.g. 4.0 would still have 4.0 settings in place ;-)

Unfortunately if appears nearly everyone has completely missed the point. The act of changing settings on my system w/o notification is WRONG! My system is set the way I prefer, not the way your's is or anyone else's, probably. It is a *personal* thing, and what I "want". Afterall, this is linux. Who knows what other setting have been changed w/o notice? This is not windoz, *no-one* knows what is best for me. The act of changing settings on my system w/o notification is WRONG! The act of changing settings on my system w/o notification is WRONG! The act of changing settings on my system w/o notification is WRONG! The act of changing settings on my system w/o notification is WRONG! -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On Monday 14 of October 2013 13:53:47 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Unfortunately if appears nearly everyone has completely missed the point. Nope :-)

The act of changing settings on my system w/o notification is WRONG! Do you really think it is a good idea that every upstream change wrt. to defaults should be thrown at users face? This one particularly you seem emotional about, so i guess it makes sense to you that somehow there should be some kind of information shown that login/out sounds won't be played anymore by default, but this is just one random setting amongst the sea of others...

My system is set the way I prefer, not the way your's is or anyone else's, probably. It is a *personal* thing, and what I "want". In this case - no. It was set to follow upstream choice, which was until 4.11 coincidentally the same one you would made.

This is not windoz, *no-one* knows what is best for me.

The act of changing settings on my system w/o notification is WRONG! Yes, but they *where not* your settings. As said already, and above, you relied on upstream choice, which took another direction with 4.11. Users/administrator settings belong to dot files and /etc, and those where not changed, no?

Mandag den 14. oktober 2013 10:06:17 skrev Patrick Shanahan:

"POINT" is: I had not changed that setting as I was satisfied with it.

Until now I don't think I had ever heard of anyone who likes the startup and shutdown sounds :-) I hope they also turned off a bunch of the other default sound notifications. Annoying defaults like that, are very detrimental to KDE. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

* Martin Schlander [10-14-13 12:03]:

Mandag den 14. oktober 2013 10:06:17 skrev Patrick Shanahan:

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"POINT" is: I had not changed that setting as I was satisfied with it.

Until now I don't think I had ever heard of anyone who likes the startup and shutdown sounds :-)

I hope they also turned off a bunch of the other default sound notifications. Annoying defaults like that, are very detrimental to KDE.

That is beside the "POINT". The act of changing settings on my system w/o notification is WRONG! -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Am Sonntag, 6. Oktober 2013, 02:41:49 schrieb šumski:

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Why is it whatever YaST2 depends on to play a test sound successfully isn't sufficient for sound in KDE to work? Put another way, shouldn't YaST2 be using the same method as the DE it's running in?

No idea what YaST uses, but it's definitely not phonon, but either alsa directly, or PA.

YaST2 uses QT for its widgets, so I speculate YaST uses ALSA functionality more or less directly wired to a Qt-pusbutton, simply to test proper hardware operation. I recall in previous versions (opensuse 10.0 or so) test sound in Yast being played while having no sound in KDE applications. By the way, for a user like me it is not easy to understand the current sound architecture of KDE. We have alsa, jack, phonon, pulseaudio and applications, but I have no idea who gives what to whom. Best regards Thomas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org