[opensuse-kde] What's the state of KDE 4.0 in the live CD?
I managed to boot the live CD on my notebook, and if this is to show more than some alpha version of KDE 4 I am very, very worried. It looks like the KDE developers went mad and decided to take all the worst ideas of all the other GUIs and put them together. The visual effects are smart - but useless. The panel used to be highly configurable, what I get now is a stupid thing that can't change size, can't hold program icons, can't be folded to free desktop space. Reading the KDE 4 informations, it looks like the plasmoids (didn't find any on the live CD) should lay over the desktop the way Mac OS X does - stupid, you can't use them while you work. On the live CD I can choose widgets, but they come on my desktop, not in whatever has taken the place of kicker. On that bar everything is crowded on the left side once I have removes the "taskbar" applet. So, if this is supposed to show what KDE 4 final will be, I think I'll have to get back to Gentoo to be able to install KDE 3 as long as possible, or even (erk!) start thinking of switching to Gnome.......... I do hope this is just a bad preview and the KDE team did not screw up the best desktop environment I have used - or that some team of capable and intelligent developers will continue the KDE 3 track. Thierry --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 25 January 2008 04:04:33 pm Thierry de Coulon wrote:
So, if this is supposed to show what KDE 4 final
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4 is a bit more information why using word final is misplaced. -- Regards, Rajko --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag 25 Januar 2008 schrieb Thierry de Coulon:
So, if this is supposed to show what KDE 4 final will be, I think I'll have to get back to Gentoo to be able to install KDE 3 as long as possible, or even (erk!) start thinking of switching to Gnome.......... "KDE 4 final" it is not. It's KDE 4.0, which is a .0 release of a new generation. And yes, it may have some unfinished features and it's definitly not on par with KDE3 - on some edges it never wanted to be, one some it just isn't there yet.
We will maintain KDE3 packages as long as KDE4 is long as people are using it, at least on the build service. But KDE3 is dead.
I do hope this is just a bad preview and the KDE team did not screw up the best desktop environment I have used - or that some team of capable and intelligent developers will continue the KDE 3 track.
So you're saying because you can't move your panel, the whole is useless? Thanks for the flowers. Greetings, Stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 26 January 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote:
"KDE 4 final" it is not. It's KDE 4.0, which is a .0 release of a new generation. And yes, it may have some unfinished features and it's definitly not on par with KDE3 - on some edges it never wanted to be, one some it just isn't there yet. (...) So you're saying because you can't move your panel, the whole is useless? Thanks for the flowers.
Greetings, Stephan
First I may have been a little overcarried in my wording, however... I think it's a bad idea to name .0 a beta version (and even beta is still too much). I've been using KDE from 0.4 (and I hope I can carry on). KDE 0.4 was not named KDE 1.0, the numbering made clear it was work in progress, and most of it was usable. KDE 4.0 has hit the web as "KDE 4 has been released", which lets (at least me) believe this is a first, usable version of version 4, which it is not. From various readings on the net I'm not the only one who feels that way. Of course I know the programmers of KDE 4.0 are good (much better than I am, anyway). But why "release" it as .0 ?? .0 should mean it's ready (even if it will get better), what I have got (unless whoever put the live demo together really screwed it) is a technical preview, not more. I know Apple goes that way (at least they did with OS X 10.0, and they charged for it !), but even Vista .0 can be used for everyday business, and I can't figure KDE 4.0 could. I read that some distribution may appear that would install 4.0 as the default desktop, that would be a (bad) joke. So to sum it up: now that I understand it's way not finished, I say: thanks for the work, but call it what it is. And regarding the panel, if you compare a 3.5.x kicker with what 4.0 has to offer, yes I think the KDE 4.0 version is just, plain, useless. Thierry --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Den Saturday 26 January 2008 13:47:51 skrev Thierry de Coulon:
I think it's a bad idea to name .0 a beta version (and even beta is still too much).
You're too late for this discussion. The decision to release 4.0 in a questionable state has been discussed endlessly for the last few months on blogs, podcasts, irc.. whatever. I don't understand how you can have missed it, if you're the least bit interested in KDE. Now that it's released it's too late to do anything about it, and noone wants to discuss this topic anymore, it's time to look ahead. Also you should realize that most of the behind the scenes stuff is of release quality, so are many of the apps. What's alpha/beta quality is mostly just plasma (the desktop shell) and some apps. Besides it's not crucial what KDE releases per se, since >95% of users get their KDE from distributors who probably have the knowledge to decide which versions are ready for their users. Everybody who's not living under a rock, should be well aware that 4.0 is only of tech preview quality. Who cares about the numbers. 4.1 (scheduled for July) is expected to be the "feature complete" release usable by Aunt Tillie and Joe Sixpack. Secondly, when to release 4.0 is not decided by the openSUSE KDE-team, your gripe is with the KDE release team upstream - there might be some duplicate people, but this is still not the place to debate it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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