[opensuse-kde] from kmail3 to kmail4
HI guys, I'm trying kmail4 but it's no clear how to keep all my settings.. I copied all kmail* and email* files from .kde/share/config (working opensuse 10.3) to .kde4/share/config (opensuse 11) and also copied Mail directory. When kmail starts, for each account two popup apper with the follow messages: Account $FOO has no mailbox defined: mail checking aborted; check your account settings. Please create an account for sending and try again. I don't want recreate all accounts manually! Please help! Bye. -- *** Linux user # 198661 ---_ ICQ 33500725 *** *** Home http://www.kailed.net *** *** Powered by openSUSE *** --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 12 July 2008, Daniele wrote:
I don't want recreate all accounts manually!
kmail has broken configuration compatibility between kde3 and kde4, thats why the settings weren't copied automatically by the migration script. There is no way around a clean start unfortunately, unless somebody convinces upstream that this is a real issue and needs fixing. Greetings, Dirk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 14 July 2008 10:52, Dirk Mueller wrote:
On Saturday 12 July 2008, Daniele wrote:
I don't want recreate all accounts manually!
kmail has broken configuration compatibility between kde3 and kde4, thats why the settings weren't copied automatically by the migration script.
There is no way around a clean start unfortunately, unless somebody convinces upstream that this is a real issue and needs fixing.
And who is upstream? Believe me, this is one of the things that will keep me from switching to kde4. This setup works, no reason to change it, and it's been easy up until now to upgrade. Even when the switch to kontact happened, I didn't have a problem. A simple copy over and all was well. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 X86_64 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 12:00pm up 22 days 16:43, 4 users, load average: 2.46, 2.24, 2.13 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Mike:
And who is upstream? Believe me, this is one of the things that will keep me from switching to kde4. This setup works, no reason to change it, and it's been easy up until now to upgrade. Even when the switch to kontact happened, I didn't have a problem. A simple copy over and all was well.
Totally agree with that. I'm using KDE3 in OSS11, and i didnt switch to KDE4, because i dont have the time and mind to do the whole work with filters and so on again. So i'm using KDE3 with Kontact/KMail until KDE4 is ready. I'm looking into KDE4 from time to time, but it doesnt make any notable progress in the fields that are important for me. And widgets is one thing i am very _un_interested in. regards, Jens --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 14 July 2008 12:51:02 Mike wrote:
And who is upstream? Believe me, this is one of the things that will keep me from switching to kde4. This setup works, no reason to change it, and it's been easy up until now to upgrade. Even when the switch to kontact happened, I didn't have a problem. A simple copy over and all was well.
This is unfortunate, but since the kdepim-team is small, i.e. lacks developers, I think they should concentrate on making kdepim4 work for 4.1. If somebody is up for writing some script or utility to convert kmail3 to kmail4 fair enough, but I'd rather have a working kdepim4 and have to set it up anew then having a buggy one which can use the kde3 settings. Especially since kmail3 within kde4 works perfectly, so "I'm not going to switch to kde4 because I use kmail3" is not valid IMO. Sven --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 14 July 2008 20:28, Sven Burmeister wrote:
On Monday 14 July 2008 12:51:02 Mike wrote:
And who is upstream? Believe me, this is one of the things that will keep me from switching to kde4. This setup works, no reason to change it, and it's been easy up until now to upgrade. Even when the switch to kontact happened, I didn't have a problem. A simple copy over and all was well.
This is unfortunate, but since the kdepim-team is small, i.e. lacks developers, I think they should concentrate on making kdepim4 work for 4.1. If somebody is up for writing some script or utility to convert kmail3 to kmail4 fair enough, but I'd rather have a working kdepim4 and have to set it up anew then having a buggy one which can use the kde3 settings.
I'll make the assumption that kdepim is the replacement for kontact/kmail. If I could write a script, I'd do it. But that's something that I can't do.
Especially since kmail3 within kde4 works perfectly, so "I'm not going to switch to kde4 because I use kmail3" is not valid IMO.
Not really. I'm not that fond of kde4 yet. It's installed, but it will take some getting used to. I hate to say it, but it reminds me a lot of vista. I know it's different, and even in the state it's in right now probably a lot more stable, but that's my first impression. I'll work with it some more to learn it. Either way, by the time I switch permanently, It will probably be kde4.5 or so.. Mike
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Mike wrote:
[...] Either way, by the time I switch permanently, It will probably be kde4.5 or so..
The same to me. I will wait for KDevelop, at least to be a it more mature. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 14 July 2008, Mike wrote:
I'll make the assumption that kdepim is the replacement for kontact/kmail.
not really. kdepim is the name of the tarball, pim is "personal information management". it contains the applications you're used to already: kontact and kmail, just in a newer version.
If I could write a script, I'd do it. But that's something that I can't do.
it would be more interesting to figure out which part of the configuration is not correctly read anymore. From our side the issue is difficult: it is hard to get example kmailrc's that are not read correctly anymore because of privacy concerns, and simple cases still seem to work fine.
Not really. I'm not that fond of kde4 yet. It's installed, but it will take some getting used to.
Yeah, the fate of a new major release. Lots of things have changed and need adoption from the user and the developer and often also fixing. In an ideal world we'd have those 500 QA developers that run 50000 testcases to make sure that the new code base has the same features and no bugs like KDE3 has. This is not the case. Greetings, Dirk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Il lunedì 14 luglio 2008, Dirk Mueller scrisse:
On Saturday 12 July 2008, Daniele wrote:
I don't want recreate all accounts manually!
kmail has broken configuration compatibility between kde3 and kde4, thats why the settings weren't copied automatically by the migration script.
There is no way around a clean start unfortunately, unless somebody convinces upstream that this is a real issue and needs fixing. Bad. I think that this is a clear example of thing that you (kde-team) should take care of. upstream is broken but this is not a good reason to keep things broken.. Bye. -- *** Linux user # 198661 ---_ ICQ 33500725 *** *** Home http://www.kailed.net *** *** Powered by openSUSE ***
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Hello, Am Montag, 14. Juli 2008 19:45:41 schrieb Daniele:
Il lunedì 14 luglio 2008, Dirk Mueller scrisse:
On Saturday 12 July 2008, Daniele wrote:
I don't want recreate all accounts manually!
kmail has broken configuration compatibility between kde3 and kde4, thats why the settings weren't copied automatically by the migration script.
There is no way around a clean start unfortunately, unless somebody convinces upstream that this is a real issue and needs fixing.
Bad. I think that this is a clear example of thing that you (kde-team) should take care of. upstream is broken but this is not a good reason to keep things broken.. Bye.
I don't understand why this isn't told the user before the installation or update ist going to start! I'm lucky to stay on 3.5! Are you going the way of Microsoft? Bye Wilfried --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 14 July 2008 20:25:28 Wilfried Lahme wrote:
I don't understand why this isn't told the user before the installation or update ist going to start!
What's there to tell, if you want to use kde3, you do, if not, you don't. kde4 does not touch/change any of your kde3 settings during update.
Are you going the way of Microsoft?
Do you expect an answer regarding this lame comment? Sven --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Daniele:
Il lunedì 14 luglio 2008, Dirk Mueller scrisse:
On Saturday 12 July 2008, Daniele wrote:
I don't want recreate all accounts manually!
kmail has broken configuration compatibility between kde3 and kde4, thats why the settings weren't copied automatically by the migration script.
There is no way around a clean start unfortunately, unless somebody convinces upstream that this is a real issue and needs fixing.
Bad. I think that this is a clear example of thing that you (kde-team) should take care of. upstream is broken but this is not a good reason to keep things broken.. Bye.
Given how much work bulding a new environment was/is, it's a fair decision to break backwards compatibility in this area. Guys, setting up your new pim suite it YOUR contribution to the future of KDE - do it with pride. Pete --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 17 July 2008 21:34, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
Am Montag, 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Daniele:
Il lunedì 14 luglio 2008, Dirk Mueller scrisse:
On Saturday 12 July 2008, Daniele wrote:
I don't want recreate all accounts manually!
kmail has broken configuration compatibility between kde3 and kde4, thats why the settings weren't copied automatically by the migration script.
There is no way around a clean start unfortunately, unless somebody convinces upstream that this is a real issue and needs fixing.
Bad. I think that this is a clear example of thing that you (kde-team) should take care of. upstream is broken but this is not a good reason to keep things broken.. Bye.
Given how much work bulding a new environment was/is, it's a fair decision to break backwards compatibility in this area.
I disagree. Importing a config is important. Look at the difference between firefox 2 and 3. Importing works. That's important. I don't care how it looks after it's imported, I just want it to work.
Guys, setting up your new pim suite it YOUR contribution to the future of KDE - do it with pride.
I've used the same config for years. It works. I've got enough filters, and other settings that I don't want to reinstall. I keep a backup of kmailrc just in case of a failure somewhere along the line. I can drop it in, and be off and running. Oh, and what's a pim? Personal information manager? Don't need it. I want email. Don't use the calendar, or todo list, or notes. Just email. I like it simple. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 X86_64 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 10:08pm up 26 days 2:51, 3 users, load average: 2.22, 2.15, 2.15 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Given how much work bulding a new environment was/is, it's a fair decision to break backwards compatibility in this area. If it would give me a worthy amount of improvements, i would agree. But
Am Donnerstag, 17. Juli 2008 schrieb Hans-Peter Jansen: there is nothing (for me) that is working better than in KDE3, for example integration with Outlook (Exchange), or Scalix, or OpenXchange.
Guys, setting up your new pim suite it YOUR contribution to the future of KDE - do it with pride.
Dont need polemic, i need functionality. SCNR regards, Jens --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Il giovedì 17 luglio 2008, Hans-Peter Jansen scrisse:
Bad. I think that this is a clear example of thing that you (kde-team) should take care of. upstream is broken but this is not a good reason to keep things broken.. Bye.
Given how much work bulding a new environment was/is, it's a fair decision to break backwards compatibility in this area. Disagree. I'll do but it's wasted time... and not only for end users but for devs too. This thread, bugreport that will follow, debate...
Guys, setting up your new pim suite it YOUR contribution to the future of KDE - do it with pride. This time is kmail, next time? Firefox ? Thunderbird ? Xxx ? Yyy ? These are things that make differences between distroes or using LFS..
Less branding and more fixing ! :) Bye. -- *** Linux user # 198661 ---_ ICQ 33500725 *** *** Home http://www.kailed.net *** *** Powered by openSUSE *** --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 18 July 2008 18:54:08 Daniele wrote:
Il giovedì 17 luglio 2008, Hans-Peter Jansen scrisse:
Bad. I think that this is a clear example of thing that you (kde-team) should take care of. upstream is broken but this is not a good reason to keep things broken.. Bye.
Given how much work bulding a new environment was/is, it's a fair decision to break backwards compatibility in this area.
Disagree. I'll do but it's wasted time... and not only for end users but for devs too. This thread, bugreport that will follow, debate...
Guys, setting up your new pim suite it YOUR contribution to the future of KDE - do it with pride.
This time is kmail, next time? Firefox ? Thunderbird ? Xxx ? Yyy ? These are things that make differences between distroes or using LFS..
I spoke to the KMail maintainer upstream about it and it's supposed to work but untested. Obviously it's broken. We still have a small window between now and 4.1 to fix this. Does anyone want to help me out with some test case configs? The method I am thinking is: 1) Produce sample KDE 3 kmail config - made from scratch each representing a user type eg. POP user POP + filters user IMAP user disconnected IMAP user IMAP user with local filtering 2) Copy this config into .kde4 and start kmail, see what happens 3) Note bugs 4) Create clean KDE 4 config representing the desired outcome 5) Tar up original, migrated, and ideal kde4 configs for dissection by the developers. Will --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Il sabato 19 luglio 2008, Will Stephenson scrisse:
I spoke to the KMail maintainer upstream about it and it's supposed to work but untested. Obviously it's broken. We still have a small window between now and 4.1 to fix this. Does anyone want to help me out with some test case configs? I'm trying right now but it's not so easy.. A lot of accounts, filters, spam filters, ML, directories, old settings.. I'm wonder, upstream devs should know what is changed and could be broken..
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Il sabato 19 luglio 2008, Daniele scrisse:
Il sabato 19 luglio 2008, Will Stephenson scrisse:
I spoke to the KMail maintainer upstream about it and it's supposed to work but untested. Obviously it's broken. We still have a small window between now and 4.1 to fix this. Does anyone want to help me out with some test case configs?
I'm trying right now but it's not so easy.. Weird.. I manually added two accounts, ok. Then copy & paste another account from old kmailrc. Kmail starts without errors but "new" account doesn't appear in kmail settings..
rm .kmailrc and copy and past .kmailrc from kmail3. Again, kmail starts without errors, settings seem ok but on the left block directories are not showed! Only the name is missing, number (read/unread) are ok and I can click on empty space and see directory content.. Index are broken and need to be rebuilded.. This is kmail ouput in konsole: "/usr/bin/kmail(3095)" Error in thread 3027130064 : "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service files" local socket error: QLocalSocket::ServerNotFoundError "/usr/bin/kmail(3095)" Error in thread 3027130064 : "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Invalid name" kmail(3095) KMFolderMaildir::indexStatus: Index "/home/dan/Mail/.archivio-php.index" out of date! kmail(3095) KMFolderMaildir::indexStatus: new: QDateTime("sab lug 12 18:52:58 2008") kmail(3095) KMFolderMaildir::indexStatus: cur: QDateTime("sab lug 12 18:52:58 2008") kmail(3095) KMFolderMaildir::indexStatus: index: QDateTime("sab lug 12 18:52:41 2008") kmail(3095) KMFolderMaildir::indexStatus: Index "/home/dan/Mail/.orionlibri.directory/.registrazioni.index" out of date! kmail(3095) KMFolderMaildir::indexStatus: new: QDateTime("sab lug 12 18:52:58 2008") kmail(3095) KMFolderMaildir::indexStatus: cur: QDateTime("sab lug 12 18:52:58 2008") kmail(3095) KMFolderMaildir::indexStatus: index: QDateTime("sab lug 12 18:52:52 2008") QGridLayout: Multi-cell fromRow greater than toRow Bye. -- *** Linux user # 198661 ---_ ICQ 33500725 *** *** Home http://www.kailed.net *** *** Powered by openSUSE *** --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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Daniele -
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Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) -
Mike -
Sven Burmeister -
Wilfried Lahme -
Will Stephenson