Re: [opensuse-kde] KDE SC 4.3.4 in KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop; soon in 11.2 online update
Op zondag 06 december 2009 11:49:09 schreef Lubos Lunak:
On Saturday 05 of December 2009, David Herman wrote:
So what effect should we expect in the openSUSE 11.1 repos?
The online update will be only for 11.2. If you want KDE 4.3.4 on 11.1, you'll have to explicitly use KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop.
What is the difference between this one ( KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop) and the one in KDE:43/ ? http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/43/openSUSE_11.1/i586/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Desktop/openSUS... At the same may I ask (here), if it is possible to get version numbers in the output of 'zypper dyp'? It looks like, that I need to perform a 'zypper dup' to upgrade from kde-4.2.3 to 4.3 on my openSUSE-11.1. I've attached the zypper dup output I get. It tells me that kde will be downgraded, but to which version? How do I upgrade to kde-4.3.x? -- Richard
Am Sonntag 06 Dezember 2009 schrieb Richard Bos:
Op zondag 06 december 2009 11:49:09 schreef Lubos Lunak:
On Saturday 05 of December 2009, David Herman wrote:
So what effect should we expect in the openSUSE 11.1 repos?
The online update will be only for 11.2. If you want KDE 4.3.4 on 11.1, you'll have to explicitly use KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop.
What is the difference between this one ( KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop) and the one in KDE:43/ ?
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/43/openSUSE_11.1/i 586/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Des ktop/openSUSE_11.1/i586/
At the same may I ask (here), if it is possible to get version numbers in the output of 'zypper dyp'? It looks like, that I need to perform a 'zypper dup' to upgrade from kde-4.2.3 to 4.3 on my openSUSE-11.1.
I've attached the zypper dup output I get. It tells me that kde will be downgraded, but to which version? How do I upgrade to kde-4.3.x?
Hi Richard For me it looks like your openSUSE-Update Repo has i higher,or the same, Priority than the KDE4 Repo. In this case zypper dup wil downgrade your KDE4 to the Version which is partly in the Update Repo, and this is the Version which was shippt with 11.1, i guess 4.0.x or 4.1.x If you want the latest kde4, you have to set the KDE4 Repo to a higher Priority than the Update Repo, but then you have to be aware that this packages will not be Updated by security Reasons. If you don't care about the Risk set the Priority to a value lower then the Update Repo (a lower value means a higher Priority). For example, if the Update Repo has a Priority from 99, set the KDE Repo to, let's say, 30 or what ever is lower than 99. Then you will get the Packages from that Repo. But if you want SuSE to take care by your Security install openSUSE 11.2 with KDE-4.3.x All Clear ? Greets Michael -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 06 December 2009, 12:30:30 Michael Schueller wrote:
Am Sonntag 06 Dezember 2009 schrieb Richard Bos:
Op zondag 06 december 2009 11:49:09 schreef Lubos Lunak:
On Saturday 05 of December 2009, David Herman wrote:
So what effect should we expect in the openSUSE 11.1 repos?
The online update will be only for 11.2. If you want KDE 4.3.4 on 11.1, you'll have to explicitly use KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop.
What is the difference between this one ( KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop) and the one in KDE:43/ ?
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/43/openSUSE_11.1/i 586/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Des ktop/openSUSE_11.1/i586/
At the same may I ask (here), if it is possible to get version numbers in the output of 'zypper dyp'? It looks like, that I need to perform a 'zypper dup' to upgrade from kde-4.2.3 to 4.3 on my openSUSE-11.1.
Yes, because zypper up does not consider packages, where the vendor changes (given that each auxiliary repo is its own vendor).
I've attached the zypper dup output I get. It tells me that kde will be downgraded, but to which version? How do I upgrade to kde-4.3.x?
Hi Richard
For me it looks like your openSUSE-Update Repo has i higher,or the same, Priority than the KDE4 Repo. In this case zypper dup wil downgrade your KDE4 to the Version which is partly in the Update Repo, and this is the Version which was shippt with 11.1, i guess 4.0.x or 4.1.x
If you want the latest kde4, you have to set the KDE4 Repo to a higher Priority than the Update Repo, but then you have to be aware that this packages will not be Updated by security Reasons.
It's fine with zypper to put all repos on the same priority level (e.g. 99). Then zypper dup resolves the packages solely by version, which usually are higher for updates, hence zypper dup does the right thing, which is not always the case, if you're using repos with overlapping names. Always be careful, if zypper dup want to remove packages in flavor of officially updated packages. Security updates for distro KDE is pointless, if you're using another KDE repo, and I guess, that any security fixes of actively maintained project will appear quicker in the auxiliary repos, then in update because the official update process is much slower (organizational wise) then the simple build service check in for the afflicted package. That's more risky because the propability, that something is broken, tends to be higher here. OTOH, maintainers hopefully take "STABLE:" and "UNSTABLE:" labels seriously.
If you don't care about the Risk set the Priority to a value lower then the Update Repo (a lower value means a higher Priority). For example, if the Update Repo has a Priority from 99, set the KDE Repo to, let's say, 30 or what ever is lower than 99. Then you will get the Packages from that Repo.
But if you want SuSE to take care by your Security install openSUSE 11.2 with KDE-4.3.x
Cheers, Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Søndag den 6. december 2009 12:11:27 skrev Richard Bos:
Op zondag 06 december 2009 11:49:09 schreef Lubos Lunak:
On Saturday 05 of December 2009, David Herman wrote:
So what effect should we expect in the openSUSE 11.1 repos?
The online update will be only for 11.2. If you want KDE 4.3.4 on 11.1, you'll have to explicitly use KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop.
What is the difference between this one ( KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop) and the one in KDE:43/ ?
STABLE is the stuff officially released for latest version of openSUSE (currently 4.3.1, soon to be 4.3.4) + patches (released and unreleased). 43 is the latest bugversion of the 4.3 series. Currently 4.3.4. When STABLE/11.2 gets 4.3.4 too, the 43 repo will become pretty pointless and probably dropped.
At the same may I ask (here), if it is possible to get version numbers in the output of 'zypper dyp'? It looks like, that I need to perform a 'zypper dup' to upgrade from kde-4.2.3 to 4.3 on my openSUSE-11.1.
I've attached the zypper dup output I get. It tells me that kde will be downgraded, but to which version? How do I upgrade to kde-4.3.x?
Post the output of 'zypper lr -d' too, so we can see your repo configuration. And you could use YaST for the update, to get a more human managable overview, and to easily update only the packages in KDE repos, instead of performing a risky distro-wide dup (depending on your configured repos. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Martin Schlander wrote:
Søndag den 6. december 2009 12:11:27 skrev Richard Bos:
Op zondag 06 december 2009 11:49:09 schreef Lubos Lunak:
On Saturday 05 of December 2009, David Herman wrote:
So what effect should we expect in the openSUSE 11.1 repos? The online update will be only for 11.2. If you want KDE 4.3.4 on 11.1, you'll have to explicitly use KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop. What is the difference between this one ( KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop) and the one in KDE:43/ ?
STABLE is the stuff officially released for latest version of openSUSE (currently 4.3.1, soon to be 4.3.4) + patches (released and unreleased).
43 is the latest bugversion of the 4.3 series. Currently 4.3.4.
When STABLE/11.2 gets 4.3.4 too, the 43 repo will become pretty pointless and probably dropped.
At the same may I ask (here), if it is possible to get version numbers in the output of 'zypper dyp'? It looks like, that I need to perform a 'zypper dup' to upgrade from kde-4.2.3 to 4.3 on my openSUSE-11.1.
I've attached the zypper dup output I get. It tells me that kde will be downgraded, but to which version? How do I upgrade to kde-4.3.x?
Post the output of 'zypper lr -d' too, so we can see your repo configuration.
And you could use YaST for the update, to get a more human managable overview, and to easily update only the packages in KDE repos, instead of performing a risky distro-wide dup (depending on your configured repos.
So now a stupid question why / what about Factory http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/openSU... as today 4.3.3 inside and STABLE as 4.3.4 ? sorry but the hell's repositories is somewhere ... :-) -- Bruno Friedmann -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Søndag den 6. december 2009 12:55:27 skrev Bruno Friedmann:
So now a stupid question why / what about Factory http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/openS USE_11.2/i586/ as today 4.3.3 inside
and STABLE as 4.3.4 ?
KKFD is the development repo for KDE "next openSUSE". It's waiting to move to KDE 4.4 beta1 shortly. This decision was announced as part of the last meeting minutes.
sorry but the hell's repositories is somewhere ... :-)
How about sticking to the official, supported packages if you think it's too much trouble to manage the OBS repos. Only your own upgraditis is inflicting this "hell" on you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Martin Schlander wrote:
Søndag den 6. december 2009 12:55:27 skrev Bruno Friedmann:
So now a stupid question why / what about Factory http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/openS USE_11.2/i586/ as today 4.3.3 inside
and STABLE as 4.3.4 ?
KKFD is the development repo for KDE "next openSUSE". It's waiting to move to KDE 4.4 beta1 shortly. This decision was announced as part of the last meeting minutes.
I'm ok with this, just a big surprise, that it doesn't contain firstly package going to STABLE. Otherwise, how can we pre-test them ? Are them used one days, or we just spend our contributing time for nothing. In a normal process dev, it was supposed ( factory -> stable , but perharps only in my mind :-)
sorry but the hell's repositories is somewhere ... :-)
How about sticking to the official, supported packages if you think it's too much trouble to manage the OBS repos. Only your own upgraditis is inflicting this "hell" on you.
Well sometimes, we need things working, take Networkmanger for example. Until recently, (last few days) to help Will to debug it I need to have some 11.2 normal installation (for checking than upgrades works for normal users). Have one with STABLE to check it was working with it ... But I was working with Factory (that was before 11.2 release date) to try making it working before release. And now other installation with Factory, just to be sure the next release doesn't goes to regression. What could make confusion is the following -> KKFD is the development repo for KDE "next openSUSE" So normally you should only found a build for Factory ( next opensuse ) but there's build for the last 3 opensuse. I agree it's just a mess. :-) Perharps, I've not yet a simple schematic draw of the flow of distribution/repositories/kde release. Nobody can make a picture (better than one thousands words) and put it on the wiki :-) -- Bruno Friedmann -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Søndag den 6. december 2009 14:35:30 skrev Bruno Friedmann:
Martin Schlander wrote:
Søndag den 6. december 2009 12:55:27 skrev Bruno Friedmann:
and STABLE as 4.3.4 ?
KKFD is the development repo for KDE "next openSUSE". It's waiting to move to KDE 4.4 beta1 shortly. This decision was announced as part of the last meeting minutes.
I'm ok with this, just a big surprise, that it doesn't contain firstly package going to STABLE. Otherwise, how can we pre-test them ? Are them used one days, or we just spend our contributing time for nothing.
In a normal process dev, it was supposed ( factory -> stable , but perharps only in my mind :-)
Factory is for next openSUSE, currently 11.3 STABLE is for "testing"/building patches for current openSUSE - currently 11.2. It's completely logical that 4.3.4 online updates for 11.2 are "tested" in STABLE repo, before they're released. Again, STABLE = official packages+online updates (released and *un*released). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Op zondag 06 december 2009 12:39:48 schreef Martin Schlander:
I've attached the zypper dup output I get. It tells me that kde will be downgraded, but to which version? How do I upgrade to kde-4.3.x?
Post the output of 'zypper lr -d' too, so we can see your repo configuration.
Please find it attached.
And you could use YaST for the update, to get a more human managable overview, and to easily update only the packages in KDE repos, instead of performing a risky distro-wide dup (depending on your configured repos.
OK. Thanks to all how already responded, I'm impressed by the swift reactions! But it does not seem possible to get version information, when execution 'zypper dup'?? I'll have a look at my priority settings for the different repo's, for the time being I prefer to stay at OS-11.1. -- Richard
Post the output of 'zypper lr -d' too, so we can see your repo configuration.
Please find it attached.
As already said above in the thread change the priority of your update repo to 99 otherwise this will be preferred by zypper dup (which only considers repo priorities as far as I know.)
And you could use YaST for the update, to get a more human managable overview, and to easily update only the packages in KDE repos, instead of performing a risky distro-wide dup (depending on your configured repos.
OK.
Thanks to all how already responded, I'm impressed by the swift reactions! But it does not seem possible to get version information, when execution 'zypper dup'??
The most safe way is probably to use 'zypper -v dup -r #KDE_repo' -v will show you the versions if I remember zyppers behaviour in 11.1 correctly and -r will update only to the specified repo. (Note that the other repos are disabled in this case and you may have to install other packages before to be able to perform the update this way.) Addinitional note: In 11.2 you can use --from instead of -r which does not disable all other repos, so the above described problem is solved. Christian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 06 December 2009 06:03:57 Richard Bos wrote:
But it does not seem possible to get version information, when execution 'zypper dup'??
Hi Richard, You want zypper to be verbose. You can achieve that using zypper -v dup as explained in Christian's email. Verbosity has 4 levels from -v to -vvvv . ********* As usually more information using zypper help and for each of zypper commands zypper help <command> Also there is detailed manual: man zypper How to use Konqueror to read man and info with benefits of html links is explained in: http://en.opensuse.org/Manual_Pages -- Regards Rajko, openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Op zondag 06 december 2009 12:39:48 schreef Martin Schlander:
Post the output of 'zypper lr -d' too, so we can see your repo configuration.
From this I saw that my KDE:43 is disabled. I'll see what happens when I enable this one (and when needed I'll increase the priority). -- Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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