On Thursday, May 01, 2014 21:22:44 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Thursday 01 May 2014 11:56:48 Sam M wrote:
Oh, patches are welcome. COMMUNITY MEMBERS are people who >contribute. Not complain at mailing lists, mind you, people who DO things. Others are
welcome to add input occasionally, but shouldn't waste everybody's time.
Didn't you just admit that you weren't a programmer? Is a mailing list not a place for a non-programmer to voice concerns, ask questions, and attempt to participate with a non-participatory set of developers?
You don't have to program to contribute. I never said that... If you would have read the many emails here, you'd have noticed that I pointed several times to articles on dot.kde.org and documentation that I wrote.
Moreover, this list is for getting stuff done, not have two guys block the list by cluelessly complaining for hours and hours.
And I know, I'm feeding two trolls.
From the (two handful of) KDE users I know personally, nealy all had nepomuk file indexing disabled because of its performance issues and their thinking
No, you don't. First, I learned some things from this "discussions". Second, I bet there are people not complaining because Anton does and it would be pointless just to write the same stuff. I was until now. I do not like his harshness and I do not agree to the baloo-should-be-totaly-removeable-from-my-harddisk part, but he is right with regars do configuration and documentation. Any major change in behaviour or style of software widly used started a boatload of questions like how-do-I-get-the-old-back or I-do-not-need-this- stuff-where-do-I-disable-this (nepomuk/akonadi, now firefox with australis, M$ changing start buttons or menu structure, ...) So, threads like this were to be expected. Not documenting what baloo exactly does may be excusable by lack of time/participants. Not adding a simple checkbox to System Settings for disabling the whole indexing is not. Neither is the opt-out vs opt-in policy. they did not need it. All of them are software developers of some sort, none of them (including me) is familiar enough with C(++) to contribute to KDE beyond reporting bugs. So, they (and me) are somewhat "normal" users of KDE, yet experiencend computer users, and also longtime KDE users. None of them read this mailing list, none of them dig into release notes. Yet they want to keep up with latest development and install KDE from KDE:Current. You could say this is careless, stupid even, but I think it is widely done. Somewhere here or in one of the other threads you were arguing geeks/nerds versus the proverbial 80% of users. I think you are wrong there. 80% of users do not use Linux on their desktop computer. I do not know how many of the people using Linux desktops are actually using KDE. But I am pretty sure (admittedly completely guessing) the average KDE user is interested in having some control over the system. Including such things as wether and what is indexed. Plus, if KDE isn't build for the geeks, than what is? On your repeated argument of contribution: I have a pretty long list of features of KDE that where once there and went missing. Most of them with the switch to KDE 4, some other with the switch to KMail 2. Some of those I consider bugs, some I think got lost due to some argument like your "you are a minority, so tough luck" way of thinking. Beeing a software developer myself I know you sometimes have to drop configuration options to gain maintainability. But I _really_ do miss the times when there was a keyboard shortcut theme called Unix or Emacs (I do not recall the exact name) which saved me from the "stupid" Ctrl-a as "mark all" and simply took me to the start of the line in any textual environment. Sadly, I am so far away from C++ and GUI programming that even thinking about re-adding such a feature myself is completely ridiculous. So, I am not talking of really severe issues, but enough to annoy me twice to ten times a day. So do said people I know. We complain over these things during lunch break, we search the internet (for days) for solutions. But filing a bug seldomly happens. It just takes too much effort. Yes, I know, this is lame/stupid. My point beeing: I think, we are much closer to "normal" KDE users than Tom, Dick or Harry out there using Windows, MacOS, or Gnome and take whatever some God thinks is good for them. Another troll, I guess? Regards mararm -- I don't know who my grandfather was; I am much more concerned to know what his grandson will be. -- Abraham Lincoln -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org