On 12/19/2016 02:01 PM, Patrick Serru wrote:

Le lundi 19 décembre 2016, koga@users.sourceforge.jp a écrit :

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Hi there,

Are there anyone using KDE3 on openSUSE Leap 42.2? Is it works? I found KDE3 repository[1] however I could not find 1-click install button on KDE3 wiki[2].

[1] http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_Leap_42.2/ [2] https://en.opensuse.org/KDE3

Thank you, koga

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Hello Koga,

I tryed to install 42.2 on 42.1+KDE3, requiring update. It did not work. I did not repport any bug because this occured exactly when an hard disk died ! Anyway, i will not try again as long as the KDE3 One click Install is not proposed.

Sincerly,

Patrick

See my earlier post to Koga, Most likely all you need to do is manually choose the: kdebase3-workspace kdebase3-session packages for install. There are missing rpm dependencies somewhere that should pull those in by default any time kde/kdm are installed. Without those packages, you will get kded segfaults on attempting to launch kde. After installing Leap_42.2 fresh from the NET iso yesterday and updating yast (sysconfig) to set DISPLAYMANAGER="kdm3" (I think my last post had that backwards -- getting old) and set the default Window Manager DEFAULT_WM="kde" You will be golden. If you like, you can simply edit (as root) and set those values in the following two files /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager /etc/sysconfig/windowmanager -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

Hello David, Patrick, I have tried to install KDE3 from 1-click install button which Ilya has added but I have got segfault kicker, kdesktop and kded which Drkoonqi has reported at that time. However, I did not install kdebase3-workspace and kdebase3-session as David mentioned. Thank you for valuable information. I will try again later. Regards, koga This is the reply to ... "Re: [opensuse-kde3] KDE3 on openSUSE Leap 42.2 (with CORRECTION)" Mr./Ms. "David C. Rankin" wrote on 2016-12-21 00:50:01.: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID:

On 12/19/2016 02:01 PM, Patrick Serru wrote:

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Le lundi 19 décembre 2016, koga@users.sourceforge.jp a écrit :

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Hi there,

Are there anyone using KDE3 on openSUSE Leap 42.2? Is it works? I found KDE3 repository[1] however I could not find 1-click install button on KDE3 wiki[2].

[1] http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_Leap_42.2/ [2] https://en.opensuse.org/KDE3

Thank you, koga

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-------------------- Hello Koga,

I tryed to install 42.2 on 42.1+KDE3, requiring update. It did not work. I did not repport any bug because this occured exactly when an hard disk died ! Anyway, i will not try again as long as the KDE3 One click Install is not proposed.

Sincerly,

Patrick

See my earlier post to Koga,

Most likely all you need to do is manually choose the:

kdebase3-workspace kdebase3-session

packages for install. There are missing rpm dependencies somewhere that should pull those in by default any time kde/kdm are installed.

Without those packages, you will get kded segfaults on attempting to launch kde.

After installing Leap_42.2 fresh from the NET iso yesterday and updating yast (sysconfig) to set

DISPLAYMANAGER="kdm3"

(I think my last post had that backwards -- getting old)

and set the default Window Manager

DEFAULT_WM="kde"

You will be golden. If you like, you can simply edit (as root) and set those values in the following two files

/etc/sysconfig/displaymanager /etc/sysconfig/windowmanager

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Hello Felix The thread starting with the post "[opensuse-kde3] KDE3", dated 2016-06-12 06:16 is in contradiction... Well, nice to know that Trinity is mature (-: and in real use!). Sincerly, Patrick --------------------------------------- Le lundi 19 décembre 2016, Felix Miata a écrit :

koga@users.sourceforge.jp composed on 2016-12-20 02:37 (UTC+0900):

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Are there anyone using KDE3 on openSUSE Leap 42.2? Is it works? I found KDE3 repository[1] however I could not find 1-click install button on KDE3 wiki[2].

[1] http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_Leap_42.2/ [2] https://en.opensuse.org/KDE3

I put KDE3 on one 42.2 installation, but on a minimal X installation using Zypper. I generally don't do one-clicks.

I have several other 42.2 installations. I have TDE on all of the others.

TDE has active developers. Since Ilya left, KDE3 has had virtually no developer activity on open KDE3 BOO bugs. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

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Hello All, First of all I am sorry for the delay and thank you for each kindness reply. I have read ALL answers interestingly! Hello Patrick and Felix, Thank you for prompt reply! I have tried to install Trinity Desktop Environment(TDE) on fresh installed openSUSE Leap 42.2 in my VirtualBox environment as below. https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/OpenSUSEInstall It works very well and easy to install, I think. By the way, is it safe to shift ~/.kde to ~/.trinity or is it necessary to do something? Because I want to keep my KDE3 configuration to TDE if possible. Thank you, koga This is the reply to ... "Re: [opensuse-kde3] KDE3 on openSUSE Leap 42.2" Mr./Ms. Felix Miata wrote on 2016-12-20 09:53:57.: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <71bc8d1a-c31e-7b26-fda2-5663eef96e0b@earthlink.net>

Patrick Serru composed on 2016-12-19 18:51 (UTC-0500):

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The thread starting with the post "[opensuse-kde3] KDE3", dated 2016-06-12 06:16 is in contradiction...

I don't see any contradiction. Look in BOO and you'll see about the only KDE3 bug activity is mine filing new or following up old, little to nothing about fixing any other than build problems.

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Well, nice to know that Trinity is mature (-: and in real use!).

A lot more activity on http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ than here because a lot more users, spread across Mageia, Fedora, openSUSE, Debian, *buntu and more, and few bugs: only 30 new bugs filed in last 6 months that are not distro-specific, trivial, minor or enhancement.

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On 2016-12-21 19:59:50 Felix Miata wrote:

The only thing I remember for sure is that TDE will not disturb anything in ~/.kde. Whether it will read from it I don't remember. I remember copying ~/.kde to ~/.trinity, but not what resulted. Ask on the [trinity-users] mailing list if you can't find an answer on the TDE wiki or irc://freenode/#trinity-desktop and no one here has a better answer.

I believe that Trinity will copy from ~/.kde if it finds no ~/.trinity, and it also has some migration scripts that run at the first-time invocation of TDE to migrate some settings on a once-per-user basis. Leslie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

Would it be possible to get Trinity onto the list of desktop patterns in YaST? (I have no idea what would be involved to do this.) Leslie On 2016-12-19 14:44:29 Felix Miata wrote:

koga@users.sourceforge.jp composed on 2016-12-20 02:37 (UTC+0900):

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Are there anyone using KDE3 on openSUSE Leap 42.2? Is it works? I found KDE3 repository[1] however I could not find 1-click install button on KDE3 wiki[2].

[1] http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_Leap_42.2/ [2] https://en.opensuse.org/KDE3

I put KDE3 on one 42.2 installation, but on a minimal X installation using Zypper. I generally don't do one-clicks.

I have several other 42.2 installations. I have TDE on all of the others.

TDE has active developers. Since Ilya left, KDE3 has had virtually no developer activity on open KDE3 BOO bugs. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

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Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2017-01-23 13:40 (UTC-0800):

This is unrelated to KDE3. Sorry for posting it here, but maybe somebody might have tried it, too. I have a new computer that came with Windows 10, which uses UEFI with a disk that has a GPT label. I would like to erase Windows and install Leap 42.1 on it using Legacy Bios and a MBR disk label. I was able to switch to "Legacy only" in the boot setup and boot from the openSUSE CD. I selected "Expert Partitioner" in the installer. However, I did not see any option to change the disk label from GPT to MBR.

Does anybody have any insight whether the Expert Partitioner has some way of letting me change the disk label from GPT to MBR?

WRT expert partitioner I have no idea. I always fully partition in advance of booting any installation media. I use the expert partitioner exclusively for designating mount points, mount options and when necessary, formatting. What you could do, if partitioning fully in advance is not your cup of tea, is a pseudo advance. Once you reach the openSUSE license screen, switch to vtty2, wipe the HD (if necessary) first, then use whatever cmdline partitioning tool(s) is/are provided on the installation media, parted, fdisk, gdisk, whatever, to create any partition using MBR style prior to returning to the license screen and proceeding into the expert partitioner. Of course, if your disk is >2TB, MBR partitioning is not an option unless limiting use of the device to its first 2TB is OK with you. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

On Monday 23 Jan 2017 13:40:06 Gianluca Interlandi wrote:

Does anybody have any insight whether the Expert Partitioner has some way of letting me change the disk label from GPT to MBR?

I believe you don't need to change from GPT; just 'legacy' boot with the GRUB/LILO 1st stage in the MBR, instead of UEFI boot. Won't LEAP 42.1 do a UEFI install/boot? -- /\/\aurice -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

Thanks, The installation program gives you the option to create a disk label. Gianluca On Sun, 19 Feb 2017, Maurice wrote:

On Saturday 18 Feb 2017 22:37:10 I wrote:

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just 'legacy' boot with the GRUB/LILO 1st stage in the MBR, instead of UEFI boot.

P.S. I believe in that case a 'boot' partition of 100-200MB needs to be created (not needed if do UEFI/GPT boot).

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Le lundi 19 décembre 2016, Ilya Chernykh a écrit :

----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:37 PM Subject: [opensuse-kde3] KDE3 on openSUSE Leap 42.2

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Hi there,

Are there anyone using KDE3 on openSUSE Leap 42.2? Is it works? I found KDE3 repository[1] however I could not find 1-click install button on KDE3 wiki[2].

[1] http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_Leap_42.2/ [2] https://en.opensuse.org/KDE3

Guys it is not that difficult to update the wiki, I just did it, but you should learn the basics of copy-pasting and text editiing.

Hello Ilya, Thank you ! I know "copy-pasting and text editing" but cant not do that anyway : too thick probably ! And there is a long time I gave up trying to connect to opensuse.org Sincerly Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

Fresh install yesterday. Only trick is you have to remember to select

kdebase3-workspace kdebase3-sessions

(somewhere there are broken dependencies that do not pull those packages in automatically)

Sorry, on what those packages are supposed to be depended on? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/20/2016 10:29 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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Sorry, on what those packages are supposed to be depended on?

No problem Ilya,

The answer is kdebase3-workspace is required by kdebase3.

Anything that is part of the kde3 desktop itself needs kdebase3-workspace. So it should be a dependency of kdebase3 (it is was provides trashcan, Run... command, draws the desktop background, etc..)

kdebase3 is required by any KDE3 app, such as for instance, Krusader two-panel file manager. Do you mean that kicker (the taskbar), konqueror and other components of kde3 workspace should be installed each time someone decides to use krusader?

kdebase3-session is required by kdebase3-kdm.

It is the package that holds the startup scripts for kde3 when launched via kdm (it does what xinitrc, etc.. would do if you issued 'startx' from the CLI with startkde as the final target)

Dont you imagine a situation someone would like to use kdm3 without KDE3 workspace, with another shell (say, the mentioned above krusader or kde3-ksmoothdock or maybe, some other environment like KDE4 or Cinnamon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

On 2016-12-20 16:43:20 David C. Rankin wrote:

What we have to work out is when someone will actually be using KDE. If someone is just installing krusader, then no, but how do you tell if someone is just installing krusader (which caused the requirement for kdebase) or if someone just installed kdebase because they want to run KDE. (as far as I know, you can't unless you are parsing the rpm command-line) That's why when building from source without subpackages, kdebase-workspace was just part of kdebase. If you got kdebase, you got kde-workspace as well.

I don't mind subpackages, but when you start running into circular dependency problems, we either need to create a 'KDE3 Install Group' for yast that people can use to install KDE3 and get all the required dependencies, or we just need to make kdebase3-workspace a dependency for kdebase3 (otherwise, we are just going to run into this "Why isn't kde3 working problem, over and over again.)

Isn't this what the YaST 'patterns-OPENSUSE-*' entries under the Patterns view in Software Manager are for? Leslie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/20/2016 10:29 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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Fresh install yesterday. Only trick is you have to remember to select

kdebase3-workspace kdebase3-sessions

(somewhere there are broken dependencies that do not pull those packages in automatically)

Sorry, on what those packages are supposed to be depended on?

Ilya, Great job on kde3 for Leap 42.2. I sent a thank you to the main list yesterday but forgot to drop you a note here. I haven't finished fully tweaking my install, but so far, other than those minor packaging issues, kde3 is working PERFECTLY. That is such a wonderful thing to say after fighting Plasma/Frameworks 5 for the past months and watching my bug count at bugs.kde.org fly past 230 on things that just don't work right, things you can no longer do, or things that are just flat broken in the latest Plasma (direct from git) A fresh install of KDE3 is like slipping into your favorite pair of comfortable shoes. There is nothing in Plasma/FW5 that wasn't already in KDE 3.5.10 (and I'll never use the 'activities' or social media garbage. I was there for the 'forced' roll-out of KDE 4.0.4 as part of openSUSE 11.0 in May 2008. It was horrible -- nothing worked, and we were all promised that 'activities' would change the world -- just give it time to mature. Now literally 8.5 years later, we are back in the exact same boat. Plasma doesn't black-screen like kde4 did, you are literally left wondering WTF??? This group or devs that met in Glasgow, Scotland in 2007 and decided among themselves that they would radically change the most popular and most successful Linux desktop every seen and make it better for everyone. (really) The existing community was just too dumb to see this new futuristic vision of KDE, so despite loud voices of concern by the kde userbase, this handful of new devs ignored the user's concerns, did everything in their power to undermine the continued use of KDE3 and forced, what was actually a crippled alpha-stage desktop out the door as a 'Release' of KDE4. Those with questionable judgment immediately ran to make this 'untested' desktop the 'default' desktop in openSUSE 11.0 intentionally making it difficult to choose the stable KDE Desktop (3.5.10 at that time). When using Plasma, at least the way I use KDE, basically as a power-user/administrator/developer platform, I'm left shaking my head thinking "NINE YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHT DOWN THE TUBES..." So if it doesn't get said enough, THANK YOU ILYA -- FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND EFFORT TO KEEPING KDE3 AVAILABLE FOR US HERE AT OPENSUSE!!! Your effort and work is very much appreciated and keeps alive what, in my opinion, is the finest, most efficient and well designed Linux desktop going. To think KDE3 fully up and running on a 10 year old AMD-K62, or P3 running in 280 MiB RAM is more crisp and responsive than Plasma on an i7 at 2.7 GHz requiring whopping 1.7 GiB of RAM to load. (nine years of development -- right down the tubes...) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org