On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 14:26 +0530, Sankar P wrote:

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Hi! I hope this is taken in the right spirit, but I wanted to list a few of my pet peeves with the GNOME desktop in openSUSE. I want to do this so that I can help get these fixed [by tracking in upstream bugs, openSUSE bugs or trying to see if I can fix them so on], hopefully by the next release. I think it would be a good thing to list the minor problems GNOME users face generally or in openSUSE alone, and I will list them somewhere in the Wiki [probably just in my user page first], so that we can start looking into these issues very early for the next version of openSUSE. Let us just keep this list to minor usability issues, so that something like "YaST-GTK vs YaST-QT [Redux]" is probably not very contextual My pet peeves:- 1. openSUSE: Notification/tooltip theme in openSUSE -- openSUSE 11.3 comes out in a couple of days, but it still uses the same notification/tooltip theme used in the earlier versions. Fedora 13 and Ubuntu 10.04 on the other hand have moved to a much more elegant tooltip/notification theme [see http://static.arstechnica.com/assets/2010/03/ubuntu_darktheme-thumb-640xauto... ] which does add some beauty to the desktop. I actually prefer opaque tooltips. Sometimes the text is unreadable in

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote: transparent backgrounds.

+1 This is especially true for those with red/green color blindness. Substituting 'elegance' for readability seems the wrong way to go.

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2. Upstream: Icon scrambling in the desktop -- Too often something like this happens: insert USB disk, safely remove USB disk, create a document "X" in the desktop (around the same location where the USB disk icon was), and re-insert USB disk. The USB-disk icon and the X icon appear on top of each other, making it impossible to click on one without dragging the icon of the other to some other place in the desktop. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613111

I've seen this on. I just figured GNOME 3 was the answer: stop putting crap on the desktop. But picking an empty grid location for the icon would be nice.

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4. openSUSE: CD drive getting locked in by the GNOME desktop https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=418944 -- Happens only in GNOME, and not on KDE. Also does not happen in Fedora/Ubuntu. +1 But I have never tried Ubuntu. So dont know if it is a oS only issue.

Hmmm. I've never experienced that one.

My pet peeves: 1) Inability to connect to wireless/VPN without using mouse (networkmanager is not so a11y friendly imo)

It irritates me when I have a wired connection an NM proceeds to also try to bring up the wireless. A once-you've-got-a-connection-stop-trying-to-connect option would be nice. Otherwise I've already started working when a wireless authentication dialog appears; and it keeps appearing until I disable the wireless.

2) Refresh the wireless network list, without having to manually switch off the wireless button

My list updates automatically. (?)

3) I want to just see what is the time now in Nuremeberg and want to close the calendar applet. A simple keyboard shortcut to toggle between open/close of the calendar.

+1

One more annoying issue is in Firefox (technically not GNOME issue), The invalid security certificate accept workflow. This is a perfect example of "how not to design a workflow" imo. With Chrome, it is just one button-click "Proceed Anyway" (or something like that). Whereas, in FF, we need to "Get Certificate", See some random animations, Accept etc. I suggest my family/friends to use Chrome just because of this one issue.

I just want a system parameter to disable, completely, the ability of a user to accept an invalid certificate.

Most of the above issues are not oS specific. They are applicable in upstream also. So, they are GNOME pet-peeves to be precise.

-- Adam Tauno Williams LPIC-1, Novell CLA http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com OpenGroupware, Cyrus IMAPd, Postfix, OpenLDAP, Samba -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 14:26 +0530, Sankar P wrote:

6) Less wallpapers . "Get more wallpapers from Internet" menu does not give a easy workflow . (same problem with "get more themes")

About the wallpapers, art.gnome.org has several GPL and CC wallpapers, it should be okay to have a package gnome-desktop-wallpapers-extra, right? We should choose some 5 of the best wallpapers from here, keeping in mind the styling concepts of openSUSE. This I can do, and push to factory/contrib after a consensus on the wallpapers selected, notifying corresponding authors, etc. Is this okay?

7) User-unfriendly screensaver configuration dialog.

Could you please elaborate on this a little. Thanks -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 13:41 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:

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Hi! Let us just keep this list to minor usability issues, so that something like "YaST-GTK vs YaST-QT [Redux]" is probably not very contextual.

My pet peeves:-

Please let me know your pet peeves about the GNOME desktop in this thread.

I got a couple more: * Lack of Undo button in nautilus [ http://live.gnome.org/Nautilus/Undo  ] see nautilus-elementary? https://launchpad.net/nautilus-elementary/

* Application windows like nautilus and gnome-terminal always reverting to default sizes, no matter how you want them resized. If you have a huge screen, with a lot of files in a directory this is often painful. Ditto for gnome-terminal. On the other hand someone like gnome-system-monitor does remember its window size correctly. So, it can possibly be implemented?

Do you think it is better to accumulate and track these issues in a bug/wiki-page ? -- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org