Guys, In nearly all my other desktops (fluxbox, e16, e17, icewm, etc..) I have always started the gnome-settings-daemon independently as one of the startup programs for each of the desktops. It provides the gnome-screensaver and makes all the gtk apps look right. To my surprise, you can't start g-s-d anymore in opensuse 11.3 and have it provide the normal g-s-d services when it is launched as part of another desktop (fluxbox, e16, e17, icewm, etc..) -- Why Not?? When I start gsd, a process is registered in the process table because I can see it with ps ax, but it doesn't do anything it is supposed to. GTK apps all look pitiful and no screensaver, no nada.... It looks like the g-s-d process just sits there and doesn't respond to any of the apps or desktop calls that need it services anymore. Up until opensuse 11.3, g-s-d was bulletproof. For example, as part of my fluxbox 'startup' config, I include the following: ## Make GTK apps look and behave how they were set up in the gnome config tools if test -x /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon >/dev/null; then /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon & fi ## start the Gnome clipboard manager if which parcellite >/dev/null; then $(which parcellite) & fi ## Synaptic touchpad 1.5 second delay after typing if which tpad >/dev/null; then $(which tpad) fi <snip> In 10.2 -> 11.2 this worked great and provided the gnome screensaver. No, from what I can tell, having g-s-d running does nothing. From the suse list Spok/I mean Data/no I mean Will Stephenson helped peel back my layers of confusion and show that <Spok quote> Sure enough there is no app called gnome-settings-daemon in $PATH when the eponymous package is installed. Looking at the RPM file list, 2 things stand out: an executable in /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon and a service definition in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.service This tells me that g-s-d is now a DBUS service that is started on demand. Sure enough, # qdbus org.gnome.SettingsDaemon / /org /org/gnome /org/gnome/SettingsDaemon showing that trying to access the daemon causes it to start. So the question for the gnome list is, "why don't my apps that need g-s-d cause it to autostart?" And the follow-on is "Why don't my apps that need g-s-d get services from it and why doesn't it launch the screensaver anymore?" This has to be affecting the gnome-sawfish program as well, so what gives? What can we do to get this fixed? What can we use as an interim as a workaround? Thanks.. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org