Feature changed by: Stephan Kulow (coolo) Feature #306635, revision 5 Title: Gnome main menu should have openSUSE logo, not generic computer - openSUSE-11.2: Evaluation + openSUSE-11.2: Candidate Priority Requester: Neutral + Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Neutral Requested by: Drew Kwashnak (dragonbite) Description: The Gnome version of openSUSE should have the openSUSE logo either squared (like the head used in KDE) or a horizontile button instead of the generic computer icon. As unimportant as it seems, that is a marketing aspect that should not be overlooked. + Discussion: + #1: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-07-29 10:51:00) + in absense of a fate markup for it, I would say we go into + implementation as long as there is no problem with it - I _guess_ this + is a clear community task but I don't know of any possible volunteer. + If none is to be found, we have to reject it later in the process. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/306635

Feature changed by: Vincent Untz (vuntz) Feature #306635, revision 7 Title: Gnome main menu should have openSUSE logo, not generic computer - openSUSE-11.2: Candidate + openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) + reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer + icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by + clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Projectmanager: Desirable - openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) + reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer + icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by + clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Requested by: Drew Kwashnak (dragonbite) Description: The Gnome version of openSUSE should have the openSUSE logo either squared (like the head used in KDE) or a horizontile button instead of the generic computer icon. As unimportant as it seems, that is a marketing aspect that should not be overlooked. Discussion: #1: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-07-29 10:51:00) in absense of a fate markup for it, I would say we go into implementation as long as there is no problem with it - I _guess_ this is a clear community task but I don't know of any possible volunteer. If none is to be found, we have to reject it later in the process. #2: M. S. (funkym) (2009-08-25 10:49:49) I checked the code and a simple change is actually trivial. The .glade file contains the button used on the panel with hardcoded icon name "gnome-fs-client". The icons for different orientations must get a name so their widgets can be retrieved using glade within create_panel_button(), and the icon name read from gconf could be assigned. This would allow to basically assign any icon using gconf to the menu button. It would not be bad if openSUSE had their brand icons in the standard icon sizes available in the distro. So if apps need to use the logo, they can request icon name "suse" to get the green circled logo which currently appears for "gdm-suse". Example before/after: http://media.sukimashita.com/temp/gmm-suse-button.gif   -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/306635

Feature changed by: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) Feature #306635, revision 9 Title: Gnome main menu should have openSUSE logo, not generic computer openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Requested by: Drew Kwashnak (dragonbite) Description: The Gnome version of openSUSE should have the openSUSE logo either squared (like the head used in KDE) or a horizontile button instead of the generic computer icon. As unimportant as it seems, that is a marketing aspect that should not be overlooked. Discussion: #1: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-07-29 10:51:00) in absense of a fate markup for it, I would say we go into implementation as long as there is no problem with it - I _guess_ this is a clear community task but I don't know of any possible volunteer. If none is to be found, we have to reject it later in the process. #2: M. S. (funkym) (2009-08-25 10:49:49) I checked the code and a simple change is actually trivial. The .glade file contains the button used on the panel with hardcoded icon name "gnome-fs-client". The icons for different orientations must get a name so their widgets can be retrieved using glade within create_panel_button(), and the icon name read from gconf could be assigned. This would allow to basically assign any icon using gconf to the menu button. It would not be bad if openSUSE had their brand icons in the standard icon sizes available in the distro. So if apps need to use the logo, they can request icon name "suse" to get the green circled logo which currently appears for "gdm-suse". Example before/after: http://media.sukimashita.com/temp/gmm-suse-button.gif   #3: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) (2009-10-21 22:21:33) I would like to voice my support for adding the Suse icon and reject the reason for the rejection. The fact that the button is labled "Computer" tells the user it would do something, the icon itself is trivial.  I don't feel usability will be affected at all but branding is certainly important for mindshare. + #4: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) (2009-10-21 22:45:42) + I would just like to add that the Suse icon seems to work okay for the + KDE button without affecting "Usability" as portrayed here: + http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.2M4-yast2-control-center-qt.png +   +   -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/306635

Feature changed by: belal mandurah (belal_mandurah) Feature #306635, revision 12 Title: Gnome main menu should have openSUSE logo, not generic computer openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Requested by: Drew Kwashnak (dragonbite) Description: The Gnome version of openSUSE should have the openSUSE logo either squared (like the head used in KDE) or a horizontile button instead of the generic computer icon. As unimportant as it seems, that is a marketing aspect that should not be overlooked. Discussion: #1: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-07-29 10:51:00) in absense of a fate markup for it, I would say we go into implementation as long as there is no problem with it - I _guess_ this is a clear community task but I don't know of any possible volunteer. If none is to be found, we have to reject it later in the process. #2: M. S. (funkym) (2009-08-25 10:49:49) I checked the code and a simple change is actually trivial. The .glade file contains the button used on the panel with hardcoded icon name "gnome-fs-client". The icons for different orientations must get a name so their widgets can be retrieved using glade within create_panel_button(), and the icon name read from gconf could be assigned. This would allow to basically assign any icon using gconf to the menu button. It would not be bad if openSUSE had their brand icons in the standard icon sizes available in the distro. So if apps need to use the logo, they can request icon name "suse" to get the green circled logo which currently appears for "gdm-suse". Example before/after: http://media.sukimashita.com/temp/gmm-suse-button.gif   #3: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) (2009-10-21 22:21:33) I would like to voice my support for adding the Suse icon and reject the reason for the rejection. The fact that the button is labled "Computer" tells the user it would do something, the icon itself is trivial.  I don't feel usability will be affected at all but branding is certainly important for mindshare. #4: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) (2009-10-21 22:45:42) I would just like to add that the Suse icon seems to work okay for the KDE button without affecting "Usability" as portrayed here: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.2M4-yast2-control-center-qt.png     #5: La Wezen (wezen) (2009-11-17 01:36:44) gnome-fs-client icon so ugly. it makes sence to change it with logo! + #6: belal mandurah (belal_mandurah) (2009-11-17 11:58:22) + In the GNOME version of openSUSE The menu bar and the traditional menu + bar icons have been changed to the brand logo without affecing + "usibility", why not changing the slab menu icon? KDE was changed also + to brand Icon. Not to mention other OSs have thier brand Icons as well. + I would prefer to see the brand icon insted of seeing an ugly computer + icon. I hope we will see it in 11.3. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/306635

Feature changed by: Vincent Untz (vuntz) Feature #306635, revision 14 Title: Gnome main menu should have openSUSE logo, not generic computer openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Requested by: Drew Kwashnak (dragonbite) Description: The Gnome version of openSUSE should have the openSUSE logo either squared (like the head used in KDE) or a horizontile button instead of the generic computer icon. As unimportant as it seems, that is a marketing aspect that should not be overlooked. Discussion: #1: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-07-29 10:51:00) in absense of a fate markup for it, I would say we go into implementation as long as there is no problem with it - I _guess_ this is a clear community task but I don't know of any possible volunteer. If none is to be found, we have to reject it later in the process. #7: Darren LaChausse (dlachausse) (2009-11-28 22:05:49) (reply to #1) I wrote a script, per this forum post http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/424479-how-change-slab-icon.html#pos... (http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/424479-how-change-slab-icon.html#pos...) that edits the slab menu's glade file to use the "gdm-suse" icon instead.  Do you need this in a patch form to make it a contribution or will this script I worte suffice?  Please let me know, because I think nearly all of the openSUSE Gnome users are in favor of this small, but nice change. #2: M. S. (funkym) (2009-08-25 10:49:49) I checked the code and a simple change is actually trivial. The .glade file contains the button used on the panel with hardcoded icon name "gnome-fs-client". The icons for different orientations must get a name so their widgets can be retrieved using glade within create_panel_button(), and the icon name read from gconf could be assigned. This would allow to basically assign any icon using gconf to the menu button. It would not be bad if openSUSE had their brand icons in the standard icon sizes available in the distro. So if apps need to use the logo, they can request icon name "suse" to get the green circled logo which currently appears for "gdm-suse". Example before/after: http://media.sukimashita.com/temp/gmm-suse-button.gif   #3: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) (2009-10-21 22:21:33) I would like to voice my support for adding the Suse icon and reject the reason for the rejection. The fact that the button is labled "Computer" tells the user it would do something, the icon itself is trivial.  I don't feel usability will be affected at all but branding is certainly important for mindshare. #4: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) (2009-10-21 22:45:42) I would just like to add that the Suse icon seems to work okay for the KDE button without affecting "Usability" as portrayed here: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.2M4-yast2-control-center-qt.png     #5: La Wezen (wezen) (2009-11-17 01:36:44) gnome-fs-client icon so ugly. it makes sence to change it with logo! #6: belal mandurah (belal_mandurah) (2009-11-17 11:58:22) In the GNOME version of openSUSE The menu bar and the traditional menu bar icons have been changed to the brand logo without affecing "usibility", why not changing the slab menu icon? KDE was changed also to brand Icon. Not to mention other OSs have thier brand Icons as well. I would prefer to see the brand icon insted of seeing an ugly computer icon. I hope we will see it in 11.3. + #8: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2009-11-28 22:58:17) (reply to #6) + The traditional menu bar has never used a computer icon, but always a + brand icon (even upstream). The computer icon in the main menu was a + design decision. If you think it's ugly, then it's a theme issue, + really. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/306635

Feature changed by: Vincent Untz (vuntz) Feature #306635, revision 16 Title: Gnome main menu should have openSUSE logo, not generic computer openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Requested by: Drew Kwashnak (dragonbite) Description: The Gnome version of openSUSE should have the openSUSE logo either squared (like the head used in KDE) or a horizontile button instead of the generic computer icon. As unimportant as it seems, that is a marketing aspect that should not be overlooked. Discussion: #1: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-07-29 10:51:00) in absense of a fate markup for it, I would say we go into implementation as long as there is no problem with it - I _guess_ this is a clear community task but I don't know of any possible volunteer. If none is to be found, we have to reject it later in the process. #7: Darren LaChausse (dlachausse) (2009-11-28 22:05:49) (reply to #1) I wrote a script, per this forum post http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/424479-how-change-slab-icon.html#pos... (http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/424479-how-change-slab-icon.html#pos...) that edits the slab menu's glade file to use the "gdm-suse" icon instead.  Do you need this in a patch form to make it a contribution or will this script I worte suffice?  Please let me know, because I think nearly all of the openSUSE Gnome users are in favor of this small, but nice change. #2: M. S. (funkym) (2009-08-25 10:49:49) I checked the code and a simple change is actually trivial. The .glade file contains the button used on the panel with hardcoded icon name "gnome-fs-client". The icons for different orientations must get a name so their widgets can be retrieved using glade within create_panel_button(), and the icon name read from gconf could be assigned. This would allow to basically assign any icon using gconf to the menu button. It would not be bad if openSUSE had their brand icons in the standard icon sizes available in the distro. So if apps need to use the logo, they can request icon name "suse" to get the green circled logo which currently appears for "gdm-suse". Example before/after: http://media.sukimashita.com/temp/gmm-suse-button.gif   #3: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) (2009-10-21 22:21:33) I would like to voice my support for adding the Suse icon and reject the reason for the rejection. The fact that the button is labled "Computer" tells the user it would do something, the icon itself is trivial.  I don't feel usability will be affected at all but branding is certainly important for mindshare. #4: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) (2009-10-21 22:45:42) I would just like to add that the Suse icon seems to work okay for the KDE button without affecting "Usability" as portrayed here: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.2M4-yast2-control-center-qt.png     #5: La Wezen (wezen) (2009-11-17 01:36:44) gnome-fs-client icon so ugly. it makes sence to change it with logo! #6: belal mandurah (belal_mandurah) (2009-11-17 11:58:22) In the GNOME version of openSUSE The menu bar and the traditional menu bar icons have been changed to the brand logo without affecing "usibility", why not changing the slab menu icon? KDE was changed also to brand Icon. Not to mention other OSs have thier brand Icons as well. I would prefer to see the brand icon insted of seeing an ugly computer icon. I hope we will see it in 11.3. #8: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2009-11-28 22:58:17) (reply to #6) The traditional menu bar has never used a computer icon, but always a brand icon (even upstream). The computer icon in the main menu was a design decision. If you think it's ugly, then it's a theme issue, really. #9: Darren LaChausse (dlachausse) (2009-11-29 16:20:10) (reply to #8) Even being provided an easy GUI to change it would be nice.  As it sits, one has to edit the slab's .glade file by hand to make this change.  Would the maintainers be willing to accept a patch that provides a preferences dialog for the slab making this change easier? + #10: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2009-11-29 16:34:28) (reply to #9) + I'm not a maintainer, but here's my opinion: a gconf key might be + acceptable to maintainers, but I doubt a pref dialog would be. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/306635

Feature changed by: Vincent Untz (vuntz) Feature #306635, revision 18 Title: Gnome main menu should have openSUSE logo, not generic computer openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Requested by: Drew Kwashnak (dragonbite) Description: The Gnome version of openSUSE should have the openSUSE logo either squared (like the head used in KDE) or a horizontile button instead of the generic computer icon. As unimportant as it seems, that is a marketing aspect that should not be overlooked. Discussion: #1: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-07-29 10:51:00) in absense of a fate markup for it, I would say we go into implementation as long as there is no problem with it - I _guess_ this is a clear community task but I don't know of any possible volunteer. If none is to be found, we have to reject it later in the process. #7: Darren LaChausse (dlachausse) (2009-11-28 22:05:49) (reply to #1) I wrote a script, per this forum post http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/424479-how-change-slab-icon.html#pos... (http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/424479-how-change-slab-icon.html#pos...) that edits the slab menu's glade file to use the "gdm-suse" icon instead.  Do you need this in a patch form to make it a contribution or will this script I worte suffice?  Please let me know, because I think nearly all of the openSUSE Gnome users are in favor of this small, but nice change. #2: M. S. (funkym) (2009-08-25 10:49:49) I checked the code and a simple change is actually trivial. The .glade file contains the button used on the panel with hardcoded icon name "gnome-fs-client". The icons for different orientations must get a name so their widgets can be retrieved using glade within create_panel_button(), and the icon name read from gconf could be assigned. This would allow to basically assign any icon using gconf to the menu button. It would not be bad if openSUSE had their brand icons in the standard icon sizes available in the distro. So if apps need to use the logo, they can request icon name "suse" to get the green circled logo which currently appears for "gdm-suse". Example before/after: http://media.sukimashita.com/temp/gmm-suse-button.gif   #3: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) (2009-10-21 22:21:33) I would like to voice my support for adding the Suse icon and reject the reason for the rejection. The fact that the button is labled "Computer" tells the user it would do something, the icon itself is trivial.  I don't feel usability will be affected at all but branding is certainly important for mindshare. #4: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) (2009-10-21 22:45:42) I would just like to add that the Suse icon seems to work okay for the KDE button without affecting "Usability" as portrayed here: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.2M4-yast2-control-center-qt.png     #5: La Wezen (wezen) (2009-11-17 01:36:44) gnome-fs-client icon so ugly. it makes sence to change it with logo! #6: belal mandurah (belal_mandurah) (2009-11-17 11:58:22) In the GNOME version of openSUSE The menu bar and the traditional menu bar icons have been changed to the brand logo without affecing "usibility", why not changing the slab menu icon? KDE was changed also to brand Icon. Not to mention other OSs have thier brand Icons as well. I would prefer to see the brand icon insted of seeing an ugly computer icon. I hope we will see it in 11.3. #8: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2009-11-28 22:58:17) (reply to #6) The traditional menu bar has never used a computer icon, but always a brand icon (even upstream). The computer icon in the main menu was a design decision. If you think it's ugly, then it's a theme issue, really. #9: Darren LaChausse (dlachausse) (2009-11-29 16:20:10) (reply to #8) Even being provided an easy GUI to change it would be nice.  As it sits, one has to edit the slab's .glade file by hand to make this change.  Would the maintainers be willing to accept a patch that provides a preferences dialog for the slab making this change easier? #10: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2009-11-29 16:34:28) (reply to #9) I'm not a maintainer, but here's my opinion: a gconf key might be acceptable to maintainers, but I doubt a pref dialog would be. #11: Darren LaChausse (dlachausse) (2009-11-29 17:04:46) (reply to #10) Fair enough, is there any way I can get ahold of one of the maintainers, to work with them on this?  I don't mind working on the code for this, but if it won't get included in 11.3 or 11.3++, then what's the point? + #12: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2009-11-29 18:36:54) (reply to #11) + I suggest mailing them (see MAINTAINERS file). -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/306635

Feature changed by: belal mandurah (belal_mandurah) Feature #306635, revision 20 Title: Gnome main menu should have openSUSE logo, not generic computer openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Requested by: Drew Kwashnak (dragonbite) Description: The Gnome version of openSUSE should have the openSUSE logo either squared (like the head used in KDE) or a horizontile button instead of the generic computer icon. As unimportant as it seems, that is a marketing aspect that should not be overlooked. Discussion: #1: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-07-29 10:51:00) in absense of a fate markup for it, I would say we go into implementation as long as there is no problem with it - I _guess_ this is a clear community task but I don't know of any possible volunteer. If none is to be found, we have to reject it later in the process. #7: Darren LaChausse (dlachausse) (2009-11-28 22:05:49) (reply to #1) I wrote a script, per this forum post http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/424479-how-change-slab-icon.html#pos... (http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/424479-how-change-slab-icon.html#pos...) that edits the slab menu's glade file to use the "gdm-suse" icon instead.  Do you need this in a patch form to make it a contribution or will this script I worte suffice?  Please let me know, because I think nearly all of the openSUSE Gnome users are in favor of this small, but nice change. #2: M. S. (funkym) (2009-08-25 10:49:49) I checked the code and a simple change is actually trivial. The .glade file contains the button used on the panel with hardcoded icon name "gnome-fs-client". The icons for different orientations must get a name so their widgets can be retrieved using glade within create_panel_button(), and the icon name read from gconf could be assigned. This would allow to basically assign any icon using gconf to the menu button. It would not be bad if openSUSE had their brand icons in the standard icon sizes available in the distro. So if apps need to use the logo, they can request icon name "suse" to get the green circled logo which currently appears for "gdm-suse". Example before/after: http://media.sukimashita.com/temp/gmm-suse-button.gif   #3: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) (2009-10-21 22:21:33) I would like to voice my support for adding the Suse icon and reject the reason for the rejection. The fact that the button is labled "Computer" tells the user it would do something, the icon itself is trivial.  I don't feel usability will be affected at all but branding is certainly important for mindshare. #4: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) (2009-10-21 22:45:42) I would just like to add that the Suse icon seems to work okay for the KDE button without affecting "Usability" as portrayed here: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.2M4-yast2-control-center-qt.png     #5: La Wezen (wezen) (2009-11-17 01:36:44) gnome-fs-client icon so ugly. it makes sence to change it with logo! #6: belal mandurah (belal_mandurah) (2009-11-17 11:58:22) In the GNOME version of openSUSE The menu bar and the traditional menu bar icons have been changed to the brand logo without affecing "usibility", why not changing the slab menu icon? KDE was changed also to brand Icon. Not to mention other OSs have thier brand Icons as well. I would prefer to see the brand icon insted of seeing an ugly computer icon. I hope we will see it in 11.3. #8: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2009-11-28 22:58:17) (reply to #6) The traditional menu bar has never used a computer icon, but always a brand icon (even upstream). The computer icon in the main menu was a design decision. If you think it's ugly, then it's a theme issue, really. #9: Darren LaChausse (dlachausse) (2009-11-29 16:20:10) (reply to #8) Even being provided an easy GUI to change it would be nice.  As it sits, one has to edit the slab's .glade file by hand to make this change.  Would the maintainers be willing to accept a patch that provides a preferences dialog for the slab making this change easier? #10: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2009-11-29 16:34:28) (reply to #9) I'm not a maintainer, but here's my opinion: a gconf key might be acceptable to maintainers, but I doubt a pref dialog would be. #11: Darren LaChausse (dlachausse) (2009-11-29 17:04:46) (reply to #10) Fair enough, is there any way I can get ahold of one of the maintainers, to work with them on this?  I don't mind working on the code for this, but if it won't get included in 11.3 or 11.3++, then what's the point? #12: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2009-11-29 18:36:54) (reply to #11) I suggest mailing them (see MAINTAINERS file). #13: Darren LaChausse (dlachausse) (2009-11-29 19:37:55) (reply to #12) I will contact them via email then.  I just assumed that you might know some of the maintainers since you rejected this feature for 11.3 already.  This is not a technically difficult issue, but it would improve the aesthetics of the openSUSE Gnome desktop a lot, especially in light of all the politics surrounding the KDE default issue.  Plus, literally EVERY OTHER system menu in openSUSE uses a lizard icon, including the two other gnome menus, the XFCE menu, and of course the KDE menu, and yet nobody complains about usability in those cases. + #14: belal mandurah (belal_mandurah) (2009-12-09 12:02:27) (reply to + #8) + The traditiona menu bar icon was the two blue foot steps (or what eveer it + was called) It was not the lizard logo. It has been changed to the + lizard logo in this final relese. Rejecting it as a "Usibility" isse is + really not  a strong logical arrgument. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/306635

Feature changed by: Rastislav Krupansky (ra100) Feature #306635, revision 24 Title: Gnome main menu should have openSUSE logo, not generic computer openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Vincent Untz (vuntz) reject reason: It's a question of "branding vs usability". The computer icon tells people that they can do something with the computer by clicking there. The openSUSE logo wouldn't help the user in any way. Priority Requester: Neutral Requested by: Drew Kwashnak (dragonbite) Developer: (Novell) Description: The Gnome version of openSUSE should have the openSUSE logo either squared (like the head used in KDE) or a horizontile button instead of the generic computer icon. As unimportant as it seems, that is a marketing aspect that should not be overlooked. Discussion: #1: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-07-29 10:51:00) in absense of a fate markup for it, I would say we go into implementation as long as there is no problem with it - I _guess_ this is a clear community task but I don't know of any possible volunteer. If none is to be found, we have to reject it later in the process. #7: Darren LaChausse (dlachausse) (2009-11-28 22:05:49) (reply to #1) I wrote a script, per this forum post http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/424479-how-change-slab-icon.html#pos... (http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/424479-how-change-slab-icon.html#pos...) that edits the slab menu's glade file to use the "gdm-suse" icon instead.  Do you need this in a patch form to make it a contribution or will this script I worte suffice?  Please let me know, because I think nearly all of the openSUSE Gnome users are in favor of this small, but nice change. #2: M. S. (funkym) (2009-08-25 10:49:49) I checked the code and a simple change is actually trivial. The .glade file contains the button used on the panel with hardcoded icon name "gnome-fs-client". The icons for different orientations must get a name so their widgets can be retrieved using glade within create_panel_button(), and the icon name read from gconf could be assigned. This would allow to basically assign any icon using gconf to the menu button. It would not be bad if openSUSE had their brand icons in the standard icon sizes available in the distro. So if apps need to use the logo, they can request icon name "suse" to get the green circled logo which currently appears for "gdm-suse". Example before/after: http://media.sukimashita.com/temp/gmm-suse-button.gif   #3: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) (2009-10-21 22:21:33) I would like to voice my support for adding the Suse icon and reject the reason for the rejection. The fact that the button is labled "Computer" tells the user it would do something, the icon itself is trivial.  I don't feel usability will be affected at all but branding is certainly important for mindshare. #4: Kirk Sanders (mithedhel) (2009-10-21 22:45:42) I would just like to add that the Suse icon seems to work okay for the KDE button without affecting "Usability" as portrayed here: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.2M4-yast2-control-center-qt.png     #5: La Wezen (wezen) (2009-11-17 01:36:44) gnome-fs-client icon so ugly. it makes sence to change it with logo! #6: belal mandurah (belal_mandurah) (2009-11-17 11:58:22) In the GNOME version of openSUSE The menu bar and the traditional menu bar icons have been changed to the brand logo without affecing "usibility", why not changing the slab menu icon? KDE was changed also to brand Icon. Not to mention other OSs have thier brand Icons as well. I would prefer to see the brand icon insted of seeing an ugly computer icon. I hope we will see it in 11.3. #8: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2009-11-28 22:58:17) (reply to #6) The traditional menu bar has never used a computer icon, but always a brand icon (even upstream). The computer icon in the main menu was a design decision. If you think it's ugly, then it's a theme issue, really. #9: Darren LaChausse (dlachausse) (2009-11-29 16:20:10) (reply to #8) Even being provided an easy GUI to change it would be nice.  As it sits, one has to edit the slab's .glade file by hand to make this change.  Would the maintainers be willing to accept a patch that provides a preferences dialog for the slab making this change easier? #10: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2009-11-29 16:34:28) (reply to #9) I'm not a maintainer, but here's my opinion: a gconf key might be acceptable to maintainers, but I doubt a pref dialog would be. #11: Darren LaChausse (dlachausse) (2009-11-29 17:04:46) (reply to #10) Fair enough, is there any way I can get ahold of one of the maintainers, to work with them on this?  I don't mind working on the code for this, but if it won't get included in 11.3 or 11.3++, then what's the point? #12: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2009-11-29 18:36:54) (reply to #11) I suggest mailing them (see MAINTAINERS file). #13: Darren LaChausse (dlachausse) (2009-11-29 19:37:55) (reply to #12) I will contact them via email then.  I just assumed that you might know some of the maintainers since you rejected this feature for 11.3 already.  This is not a technically difficult issue, but it would improve the aesthetics of the openSUSE Gnome desktop a lot, especially in light of all the politics surrounding the KDE default issue.  Plus, literally EVERY OTHER system menu in openSUSE uses a lizard icon, including the two other gnome menus, the XFCE menu, and of course the KDE menu, and yet nobody complains about usability in those cases. #14: belal mandurah (belal_mandurah) (2009-12-09 12:02:27) (reply to #8) The traditiona menu bar icon was the two blue foot steps (or what eveer it was called) It was not the lizard logo. It has been changed to the lizard logo in this final relese. Rejecting it as a "Usibility" isse is really not  a strong logical arrgument. #15: Drew Kwashnak (dragonbite) (2010-01-11 20:11:48) As for the rejection reason, people are learning to not rely on something saying "computer" for  years now; * KDE is a big Kog, or a distro logo, * Windows uses "Start" and  * Windows 7 (maybe Vista, I don't know) it is just the Windows logo * (don't know if Apple does anything under their Apple logo) The only time that a non-descrpt logo is being used is with the Gnome Menu Bar which uses the words "Applications", "Places" and "System", which openSUSE is the only one I've seen that isn't using that for the default Gnome desktop. I know it's nick-picky, but I actually don't see the button as easily as I would a brighter, logo. This can also be compared to websites which don't have a link that says "Home" on it yet most people understand if you click on the logo or the site header you will (likely) return to the Home page; OpenSUSE.org included. + #16: Rastislav Krupansky (ra100) (2010-06-07 13:16:28) + So, how result is here? From view of aesthetics, computer logo really + should be changed with openSUSE logo, as is it in KDE. The most + irritated thing is when i increase panel size, computer logo has still + the same size. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/306635