Feature changed by: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) Feature #310668, revision 14 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject reason: Not done in time for 11.4 Priority Requester: Important openSUSE Distribution: Evaluation by engineering manager Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a feature and not a _bug_ report? and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... #3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52) (reply to #2) Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for 11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin' damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore... Does anybody even care about stuff like this? c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista. #4: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 20:06:11) I've filed a bug against 12.1 If I'm _again_ told to discuss it here, I will switch to Ubuntu and burn every single openSUSE medium I can find. #5: Scott Reeves (sreeves1) (2011-11-03 07:21:36) See the comments in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718728 and http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/949 for reasons to keep flat-volumes enabled. + #6: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) (2014-01-31 11:49:03) + Voted +1 on this. Posted to the opensuse ML and in this thread https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/494849-KMix-PulseAudio-Streams-and-Volume-Levels?p=2620912&posted=1#post2620912. + So far the majority also +1 this change, so maybe we'll get this + feature in the next OpenSUSE release. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668