Re: [opensuse-factory] Media for openSUSE 10.2
Adrian
Reply on 20-10-2006 14:04:56 <<<> We're currently planning to produce the following media for installation:
* 5 CDs, you need CDs 1-3 for a normal installation with just GNOME or KDE (any language)
I think 5CDs are supportable. But for a future release it would be very nice if the distribution of the packages could be optimized in a way that not so many CDs would be needed for a Standard installation (standard installation shall mean what get's installed if I just click NEXT all the times, as most users anyhow do). I think at least shrinking this to TWO CDs (better would be ONE) should be possible.
* 1 AddOn CD with only binary packages on it
I assume it will contain about the same things as up to now? Java, Flash, Real and so on? Something completely new to know about this Disc?
* 1 AddOn CD with language packages that are used for our tier 2 languages (tier 1 languages are english, french, italian, spanish, german, chinese, japanese and czech - and support for those is on the standard 5 CDs) (the 5 CDs have support for installation in *all* languages, just extra packages are only on this extra media)
The CD should be well marked on the download site, informing users what for exactly this CD is. Like: What features do you get in plus (feature means: what program(s) get support for more languages)
* 1 DVD containing the contents of the above 7 media (the DVD will only come with the final version to save bandwidth and mirror space)
Nothing to say about. Just don't create a 8th CD, or the DVD will be to small (if the CDs are full)
* a FTP tree with open source packages (only for the final version)
* a FTP tree with binary packages (only for the final version)
Will the FTP tree again contain more packages than the CDs/DVD? I assume it does. In this case, I absolutely would like to see the question during the installation to add/replace the CD/DVD Installation source by the FTP-Tree. Default selection would most probably be "no", as far not everybody has a high speed internet connection. Comments on this? Or already implemented? (Alpha 5 did not offer something like this)
The DVD we delivered with Alpha5 has the content of the above mentioned DVD,
Andreas --
Regards, Dominique
"Dominique Leuenberger"
Adrian
Reply on 20-10-2006 14:04:56 <<<> We're currently planning to produce the following media for installation:
* 5 CDs, you need CDs 1-3 for a normal installation with just GNOME or KDE (any language)
I think 5CDs are supportable. But for a future release it would be very nice if the distribution of the packages could be optimized in a way that not so many CDs would be needed for a Standard installation (standard installation shall mean what get's installed if I just click NEXT all the times, as most users anyhow do). I think at least shrinking this to TWO CDs (better would be ONE) should be possible.
We're at THREE right now.
* 1 AddOn CD with only binary packages on it
I assume it will contain about the same things as up to now? Java, Flash, Real and so on? Something completely new to know about this Disc?
Nothing new ;-)
* 1 AddOn CD with language packages that are used for our tier 2 languages (tier 1 languages are english, french, italian, spanish, german, chinese, japanese and czech - and support for those is on the standard 5 CDs) (the 5 CDs have support for installation in *all* languages, just extra packages are only on this extra media)
The CD should be well marked on the download site, informing users what for exactly this CD is. Like: What features do you get in plus (feature means: what program(s) get support for more languages)
Martin, Henne, could you take care of this?
* 1 DVD containing the contents of the above 7 media (the DVD will only come with the final version to save bandwidth and mirror space)
Nothing to say about. Just don't create a 8th CD, or the DVD will be to small (if the CDs are full)
;-)
* a FTP tree with open source packages (only for the final version)
* a FTP tree with binary packages (only for the final version)
Will the FTP tree again contain more packages than the CDs/DVD? I assume it does.
Yes.
In this case, I absolutely would like to see the question during the installation to add/replace the CD/DVD Installation source by the FTP-Tree. Default selection would most probably be "no", as far not everybody has a high speed internet connection.
Comments on this? Or already implemented? (Alpha 5 did not offer something like this)
Implemented in a slightly different way - we ask to add the ftp trees (currently factory) during install, you should see this first time with Beta1, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Friday 20 October 2006 12:22, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Implemented in a slightly different way - we ask to add the ftp trees (currently factory) during install, you should see this first time with Beta1,
Does that mean that I can have the DVD/CD _and_ and FTP tree as installation sources during install? If so, does the installer prefer a local source, if the versions of a given package are identical in several sources? If so, excellent: this would provide the best of both worlds, in that if the DVD contains the latest version of a package, that local version will be installed (faster and less bandwidth), and if there's an update available on the FTP site, then you get that immediately, without requiring an immediate update cycle. -- Bill Gallafent. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
William Gallafent
On Friday 20 October 2006 12:22, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Implemented in a slightly different way - we ask to add the ftp trees (currently factory) during install, you should see this first time with Beta1,
Does that mean that I can have the DVD/CD _and_ and FTP tree as installation sources during install?
Yes, in general - just add the ftp tree as add-on media. But the above feature comes at the end of installation.
If so, does the installer prefer a local source, if the versions of a given package are identical in several sources?
I haven't checked. Feel free to test and open a bug.
If so, excellent: this would provide the best of both worlds, in that if the DVD contains the latest version of a package, that local version will be installed (faster and less bandwidth), and if there's an update available on the FTP site, then you get that immediately, without requiring an immediate update cycle.
I agree - but it needs some serious testing, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2006-10-20 at 13:53 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: [adding the ftp tree as add-on media during install]
If so, excellent: this would provide the best of both worlds, in that if the DVD contains the latest version of a package, that local version will be installed (faster and less bandwidth), and if there's an update available on the FTP site, then you get that immediately, without requiring an immediate update cycle.
I agree - but it needs some serious testing,
The feature or use of that I'm most interested in, is during update. Example: updating from 10.1 to 10.2. There are a bunch of packages that are not included in the 10.1 dvd and were installed from the ftp tree during normal system usage. If during the system upgrade only the VDs/DVD is available, those packages that are not in the new 10.2 DVD will be removed from the system, and the user will have to reinstall them later when he discovers that they are missing - this is what happened to me while going from 9.3 to 10.1 - From what you have already said, I gather it should work. I'm interested in that, but I'm reluctant to test this with the 10.2 beta on my working 10.1 install. In order to test this I'd probably have to install 10.1 in a new partition, add some packages from the ftp, then upgrade to one of the 10.2 betas. A day or two work, plus the time to download and burn all the CDs plus the 10.1 remastered DVD. A week at least. Ough. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFPAZytTMYHG2NR9URAnXFAJ0Z0tOQeAFRz7nCZ7deGPQdZQS5XgCfb8bR HFaXu2mzwJ/iWm6SJP9Zef4= =PEgJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Friday 2006-10-20 at 13:53 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
[adding the ftp tree as add-on media during install]
If so, excellent: this would provide the best of both worlds, in that if the DVD contains the latest version of a package, that local version will be installed (faster and less bandwidth), and if there's an update available on the FTP site, then you get that immediately, without requiring an immediate update cycle.
I agree - but it needs some serious testing,
The feature or use of that I'm most interested in, is during update.
Example: updating from 10.1 to 10.2. There are a bunch of packages that are not included in the 10.1 dvd and were installed from the ftp tree during normal system usage. If during the system upgrade only the VDs/DVD is available, those packages that are not in the new 10.2 DVD will be removed from the system, and the user will have to reinstall them later when he discovers that they are missing - this is what happened to me while going from 9.3 to 10.1
You can already go to "Packages" and click "keep" now. Since ever. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-10-23 at 02:06 +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
You can already go to "Packages" and click "keep" now. Since ever.
Yes, but that is not wise, either, except for a few known packages, like locally compiled packages. Certainly not as a general rule. For one reason, I wouldn't get the updated versions of the packages not in the DVD, getting an inconsistent system: parts updated, part not. For another, some packages in distro upgrades get replaced by another different package, or disappear, or worse, the package gets a name change, in which case I would get both new and obsolete versions of equivalent packages. No, the proper thing is to update all existing package with their intended replacement, getting them from the local install media (DVD, CD, etc) and the add on source (ftp tree) if missing on local or main source. That add on source is what is new, and the feature I wanted; it just needs to be tested, if I understood Andreas correctly. I just need clarification that my understanding is correct, that it should work, and then I'll try to find out time to test that scenario (ie, upgrade from 10.1 to 10.2 Beta with some packages to be updated from add on source because they are not in the CDs). - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFPBsFtTMYHG2NR9URAiXqAJ9pa6tBeLSKN1M+cANm5l/E7FfoTQCcC7ts GqT6cB7GdTCgazqW1kSI16U= =rBJm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
The media proposal by AJ looks very good to me.
I think 5CDs are supportable. But for a future release it would be very nice if the distribution of the packages could be optimized in a way that not so many CDs would be needed for a Standard installation (standard installation shall mean what get's installed if I just click NEXT all the times, as most users anyhow do). I think at least shrinking this to TWO CDs (better would be ONE) should be possible.
Oh please. If you want a castrated distribution on 1 CD, use Ubuntu. If you want a real distribution, flip 3 CDs. If you're too lazy for that, please stop whinging and use the DVD. DVDROM drives cost next to nothing these days. I am thankful to SUSE for offering a DVD at all. Most others waste my time by flicking CDs or waste my bandwidth (and time) with a 'net install for each box. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Andreas Jaeger -
Carlos E. R. -
Dominique Leuenberger -
Eberhard Moenkeberg -
Volker Kuhlmann -
William Gallafent