[opensuse-factory] 10.3 Review
http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/opensuse10.3.review.html Mentions of "for the uninitiated" sounds about right. To sidestep any problems with the DVD, I've installed from Factory. Looks like the DVD should have been delayed until it was compared with Factory for stability. I think the reviewer attempted to be fair (he points to the URL to show where he is coming from). Perhaps some pertinent pointers for 11.0. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Sid Boyce wrote:
http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/opensuse10.3.review.html Mentions of "for the uninitiated" sounds about right. To sidestep any problems with the DVD, I've installed from Factory. Looks like the DVD should have been delayed until it was compared with Factory for stability. I think the reviewer attempted to be fair (he points to the URL to show where he is coming from). Perhaps some pertinent pointers for 11.0. Regards Sid.
always the same garbage... the author say that he wouldn't give openSUSE to a newcommer, but he try the install on a very special machine (grub on the root partition, and he wonder why he can't reboot without editing the original grub!!!), and when going to console he tries to use mandriva tools and don't know yast is at hand. so one people that wants to make all special by himself and wonder why openSUSE don't do this automatically. May I say no distribution can do? and on my own laptop, mandriva installs worst than openSUSE (what means little) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Sid Boyce wrote:
http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/opensuse10.3.review.html Mentions of "for the uninitiated" sounds about right. To sidestep any problems with the DVD, I've installed from Factory. Looks like the DVD should have been delayed until it was compared with Factory for stability. I think the reviewer attempted to be fair (he points to the URL to show where he is coming from). Perhaps some pertinent pointers for 11.0. Regards Sid.
always the same garbage... the author say that he wouldn't give openSUSE to a newcommer, but he try the install on a very special machine (grub on the root partition, and he wonder why he can't reboot without editing the original grub!!!), and when going to console he tries to use mandriva tools and don't know yast is at hand.
so one people that wants to make all special by himself and wonder why openSUSE don't do this automatically. May I say no distribution can do? and on my own laptop, mandriva installs worst than openSUSE (what means little)
jdd
On those points I agree. He clearly is one of the "for the uninitiated" whose blunders were glaring and of the "why would he even think of doing that" variety. Perhaps even on that hardware, most of us would get it working without a hitch simply because we wouldn't stray away from the standard path. Still there are a few things there that may bear looking into. Reminds me of giving a training class to mainframe operators, with handouts, but when I saw what they wrote up as operating procedures for all to follow, shock horror, "I never said that or that". Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-11-20 at 18:03 +0100, jdd wrote:
Sid Boyce wrote:
http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/opensuse10.3.review.html Mentions of "for the uninitiated" sounds about right. To sidestep any problems with the DVD, I've installed from Factory. Looks like the DVD should have been delayed until it was compared with Factory for stability. I think the reviewer attempted to be fair (he points to the URL to show where he is coming from). Perhaps some pertinent pointers for 11.0. Regards Sid.
always the same garbage... the author say that he wouldn't give openSUSE to a newcommer, but he try the install on a very special machine (grub on the root partition, and he wonder why he can't reboot without editing the original grub!!!), and when going to console he tries to use mandriva tools and don't know yast is at hand.
so one people that wants to make all special by himself and wonder why openSUSE don't do this automatically. May I say no distribution can do? and on my own laptop, mandriva installs worst than openSUSE (what means little)
I don't find the review that bad. I know how to have solved/avoided some of the problems he had, but simply because I'm an experienced suse user. I would have probably similar problems switching to any other distro. No big deal. About those grub problems... he admits his setup is special (as special as mine). A small modification would have solved those problems - just that I know why, and he didn't. He probably didn't know his way about yast enough to twiddle initial grub config. Yast during the first install allows almost everything, and this, which I like, is probably confusing to a newcomer. It's just a problem of knowing "The SuSE Way of Things" :-P Multimedia? He didn't know/discover about the one click install of multimedia (xine et al), and for that we can not blame him, as it is not advertised in big letters. We know of better links with better info than some of those he used. It is not "garbage". We are convinced suse users. He, they, are not. If we want to bring people to our side, we have to pave the way for them; and reading about the difficulties a new user finds, is a good way to know which edges in our distro could be ironed out. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHRkjhtTMYHG2NR9URAq9iAJ0W2xEmtcp40av3dQZclYe5rUULIgCfd3+O ah4thK/DWpks1bSyCBVW2I8= =neUE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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The Tuesday 2007-11-20 at 18:03 +0100, jdd wrote:
Sid Boyce wrote:
http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/opensuse10.3.review.html Mentions of "for the uninitiated" sounds about right. To sidestep any problems with the DVD, I've installed from Factory. Looks like the DVD should have been delayed until it was compared with Factory for stability. I think the reviewer attempted to be fair (he points to the URL to show where he is coming from). Perhaps some pertinent pointers for 11.0. Regards Sid.
always the same garbage... the author say that he wouldn't give openSUSE to a newcommer, but he try the install on a very special machine (grub on the root partition, and he wonder why he can't reboot without editing the original grub!!!), and when going to console he tries to use mandriva tools and don't know yast is at hand.
so one people that wants to make all special by himself and wonder why openSUSE don't do this automatically. May I say no distribution can do? and on my own laptop, mandriva installs worst than openSUSE (what means little)
I don't find the review that bad.
I know how to have solved/avoided some of the problems he had, but simply because I'm an experienced suse user. I would have probably similar problems switching to any other distro. No big deal.
About those grub problems... he admits his setup is special (as special as mine). A small modification would have solved those problems - just that I know why, and he didn't. He probably didn't know his way about yast enough to twiddle initial grub config. Yast during the first install allows almost everything, and this, which I like, is probably confusing to a newcomer.
It's just a problem of knowing "The SuSE Way of Things" :-P
Multimedia? He didn't know/discover about the one click install of multimedia (xine et al), and for that we can not blame him, as it is not advertised in big letters. We know of better links with better info than some of those he used.
It is not "garbage". We are convinced suse users. He, they, are not. If we want to bring people to our side, we have to pave the way for them; and reading about the difficulties a new user finds, is a good way to know which edges in our distro could be ironed out.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
The only distros I had a problem with at first were Kubuntu and freespire, it's that "root" thing for which I still can't see the logic of having to do "sudo su" or "su" and entering the user password. The grub problem would have been exactly the same installing Mandriva which is his normal distro, so he screwed up, period. A quick search on google will point to packman for the multimedia stuff, though most of it comes in Mandriva as standard. Even for seasoned users KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) rules, so such experiences should be educational in getting the best product out there for all comers. Pity the Unofficial SUSEFAQ isn't still maintained - when it was, updates were always on freshmeat, but there is a wealth of stuff in the archives and the wiki to rival any other distro. The difference is that unlike Ubuntu which puts out lots of articles on how to do just about anything under Ubuntu (useful to openSUSE also), we don't get out much these days. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag 23 November 2007 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
It is not "garbage". We are convinced suse users. He, they, are not. If we want to bring people to our side, we have to pave the way for them; and reading about the difficulties a new user finds, is a good way to know which edges in our distro could be ironed out.
Definitely agreed. But we also need to discuss them and not taking them as pure truth. Because you have to face it: whatever you do, there will always be something someone complains about. So the goal should be to iron the points out where it really hurts if someone complains about :) Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-11-23 at 10:05 +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Freitag 23 November 2007 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
It is not "garbage". We are convinced suse users. He, they, are not. If we want to bring people to our side, we have to pave the way for them; and reading about the difficulties a new user finds, is a good way to know which edges in our distro could be ironed out.
Definitely agreed. But we also need to discuss them and not taking them as pure truth. Because you have to face it: whatever you do, there will always be something someone complains about. So the goal should be to iron the points out where it really hurts if someone complains about :)
Absolutely :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHR2a9tTMYHG2NR9URAoR0AJ9eMD/5yLMZaQqS7dnjvDCArBiH4QCbB0Wh lh0p6MNMLXyjqaS+VODr/Lw= =AEt3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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