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I just checked and this SR[1] to Factory has been open for quite a while, and is blocked (AFAICS) on legal-auto. Is legal-auto on vacation on a yacht? Should I have paid for a retainer?

[1]: https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/512497

I think that they've been on holiday for a few months, libmlt has been waiting for them for about 40 to 50 days,

Given that the members of legal-auto are bots (aside from babelworx), my email was meant in jest. More importantly, I think it's a bug where the bot doesn't get the notification for a new SR (or it does, it dies for some reason, and then doesn't get re-run). The sister SR for the one I linked[1] *did* get reviewed by licensedigger. [1]: https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/512231 -- Aleksa Sarai Software Engineer (Containers) SUSE Linux GmbH https://www.cyphar.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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I just checked and this SR[1] to Factory has been open for quite a while, and is blocked (AFAICS) on legal-auto. Is legal-auto on vacation on a yacht? Should I have paid for a retainer?

[1]: https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/512497

I think that they've been on holiday for a few months, libmlt has been waiting for them for about 40 to 50 days,

Given that the members of legal-auto are bots (aside from babelworx), my email was meant in jest. More importantly, I think it's a bug where the bot doesn't get the notification for a new SR (or it does, it dies for some reason, and then doesn't get re-run). The sister SR for the one I linked[1] *did* get reviewed by licensedigger.

[1]: https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/512231

The bot is fine. If you wonder how it works, check my talk on osc17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DAjSwKcVzI

Cool, I'll watch that later. But my original point still stands, what is a submitter meant to do if submission is stuck on legal-auto? Twiddle my thumbs? Ping someone from legal? Create a new request that supercedes the old one to retrigger the bot? If "the bot is fine", does that mean there was some issue with my SR? If so, how do I find out said issue? -- Aleksa Sarai Software Engineer (Containers) SUSE Linux GmbH https://www.cyphar.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Gesendet: Montag, 07. August 2017 um 13:14 Uhr Von: "Stephan Kulow" An: "Aleksa Sarai" , opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Betreff: Re: [opensuse-factory] legal-auto on vacation?

On 08/07/2017 01:12 PM, Aleksa Sarai wrote:

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But my original point still stands, what is a submitter meant to do if submission is stuck on legal-auto? Twiddle my thumbs? Ping someone from legal? Create a new request that supercedes the old one to retrigger the bot? If "the bot is fine", does that mean there was some issue with my SR? If so, how do I find out said issue?

There is some issue with your SR that requires manual review by lawyers. And indeed those have vacations too.

This should not apply to existing packages that just get updated, no? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Monday 2017-08-07 13:21, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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But my original point still stands, what is a submitter meant to do if submission is stuck on legal-auto? Twiddle my thumbs? Ping someone from legal? Create a new request that supercedes the old one to retrigger the bot? If "the bot is fine", does that mean there was some issue with my SR? If so, how do I find out said issue?

There is some issue with your SR that requires manual review by lawyers. And indeed those have vacations too.

This should not apply to existing packages that just get updated, no?

If you wonder how it works, check my talk on osc17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DAjSwKcVzI

tl;dw: updates now also get some legal scrutiny. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Aleksa Sarai [08-07-17 08:31]:

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But my original point still stands, what is a submitter meant to do if submission is stuck on legal-auto? Twiddle my thumbs? Ping someone from legal? Create a new request that supercedes the old one to retrigger the bot? If "the bot is fine", does that mean there was some issue with my SR? If so, how do I find out said issue?

There is some issue with your SR that requires manual review by lawyers. And indeed those have vacations too.

This should not apply to existing packages that just get updated, no?

If you wonder how it works, check my talk on osc17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DAjSwKcVzI

tl;dw: updates now also get some legal scrutiny.

What I'd be interested in is, as a developer of a project, how should I make the legal team's life easier? I personally already review all of my dependencies' licenses, and am quite familiar with free software licensing, so it seems a waste for that energy to be duplicated for every update.

[ The project that I linked originally is one that I authored. ]

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On 7 August 2017 at 15:24, Richard Brown wrote:

On 7 August 2017 at 14:29, Aleksa Sarai wrote:

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> But my original point still stands, what is a submitter meant to do if > submission is stuck on legal-auto? Twiddle my thumbs? Ping someone > from > legal? Create a new request that supercedes the old one to retrigger > the > bot? If "the bot is fine", does that mean there was some issue with my > SR? If so, how do I find out said issue? > There is some issue with your SR that requires manual review by lawyers. And indeed those have vacations too.

This should not apply to existing packages that just get updated, no?

If you wonder how it works, check my talk on osc17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DAjSwKcVzI

tl;dw: updates now also get some legal scrutiny.

What I'd be interested in is, as a developer of a project, how should I make the legal team's life easier? I personally already review all of my dependencies' licenses, and am quite familiar with free software licensing, so it seems a waste for that energy to be duplicated for every update.

[ The project that I linked originally is one that I authored. ]

I was just asking coolo about this (and he reviewed it while I watched)

The main risks which our legal tooling is concerned about with umoci seems to be a rather large proliferation of different licenses across the package

Apache-2.0, CC-BY-SA, BSD-3-Clause, MIT, BSD-2-Clause are all clearly referenced in files across the package, but only Apache-2.0 is cited in the specfile

Such things are not trivial to review when our legal team need to make sure everything in the package is compatible with each other

But then, the thing is written in go, there's a ton of bundled magical nonsense in there, I think that's the nature of the beast.. rewrite the thing in a saner language with less bundled deps? ;) (I jest...mostly)

Generally speaking though, I'm concerned about the length it takes openSUSE packages to pass legal review and I will be formally discussing it within SUSE, first with our legal team and then with higher management. As lots of the above are on vacation for summer, no one should expect fast movement here, but you can all trust that I will do everything I can to help get the pressures eased here. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Gesendet: Montag, 07. August 2017 um 12:48 Uhr Von: "Aleksa Sarai" An: "Dave Plater" , opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Betreff: Re: [opensuse-factory] legal-auto on vacation?

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I just checked and this SR[1] to Factory has been open for quite a while, and is blocked (AFAICS) on legal-auto. Is legal-auto on vacation on a yacht? Should I have paid for a retainer?

[1]: https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/512497

I think that they've been on holiday for a few months, libmlt has been waiting for them for about 40 to 50 days,

Given that the members of legal-auto are bots (aside from babelworx), my email was meant in jest. More importantly, I think it's a bug where the bot doesn't get the notification for a new SR (or it does, it dies for some reason, and then doesn't get re-run). The sister SR for the one I linked[1] *did* get reviewed by licensedigger.

[1]: https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/512231

Lucky you.....i dont count days anymore - SR just states 'more than a month ago' open with legal Cheers Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org