On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 14:11:21 -0400 Bill Merriam wrote:

On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 20:03:45 +0200 (CEST) Yamaban wrote:

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 20:00, Bill Merriam wrote:

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I have a slow internet connection and like to use torrents to download large files. Is it possible to provide torrents for Factory ISOs?

Bill

To specify: Do you mean the Factory-Snapshot-<DATE> ISO or something else? (Best, give a DL URL as example)

- Yamaban.

I was thinking of this URL http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/openSUSE-Factory-DVD-x86_64-Current... which I think is the same file as http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/openSUSE-Factory-DVD-x86_64-Snapsho...

Torrent files can supposedly use "webseeds". If I knew how to make a torrent file I think I could use all the opensuse mirrors as "webseeds", but I really don't know.

Click on appropriate "details" link on http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/ and it will take you to a page with metalinks, bittorrents, etc. -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. openSUSE 13.2-m0 (64-bit); KDE 4.14.0; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor; Kernel: 3.16.1; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2014-09-09 at 17:31 -0400, Bill Merriam wrote:

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Click on appropriate "details" link on http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/ and it will take you to a page with metalinks, bittorrents, etc.

That page is indeed there. The metalinks work, the torrent fails with a 404 and the magnet link is provided but my torrent daemon never succeeds in downloading the metadata.

My transmission daemon does a great job of getting the file, even if it takes days, resuming after a network failure or system restart and is easy to use.

The tools I have for working with metalinks are interactive, have to be manually monitored, restarted, resumed or whatever and the process takes days of my attention.

I could write a daemon for downloading metalinks but it seemed easier to ask the opensuse project to have mirrorbrain generate the torrent files.

Bill, I'm not sure I followed it all - but maybe aria might be a valid CLI solution for you, as it is a bit more resilient to retrying, spliting blocks, and resuming broken downloads... Dominique -- Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 00:29:33 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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On 2014-09-09 23:31, Bill Merriam wrote:

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 20:56:27 +0100

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The tools I have for working with metalinks are interactive, have to be manually monitored, restarted, resumed or whatever and the process takes days of my attention.

I could write a daemon for downloading metalinks but it seemed easier to ask the opensuse project to have mirrorbrain generate the torrent files.

Can't you use aria2c? It is CLI, and I don't remember it failing me...

Thank you to everyone who responded helpfully. My question is whether mirrorbrain is purposely prevented from providing torrent links. I am going to assume the answer is yes and move on. There is probably a reason why that is, just nobody knows what it is. I will avoid using Factory. Thanks again. Bill -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-09-10 00:50, Bill Merriam wrote:

Thank you to everyone who responded helpfully. My question is whether mirrorbrain is purposely prevented from providing torrent links. I am going to assume the answer is yes and move on. There is probably a reason why that is, just nobody knows what it is. I will avoid using Factory.

Let me see, if I can understand. Your main problem is that you "have a slow internet connection"; then you say that you "like to use torrents to download large files". How does one thing relate to the other? And I don't understand why not having torrents can impede you from downloading factory. Why would you need to use torrent because your connection is slow? My connection is slow, and precisely because of that, I do not use torrents! I use aria2c instead. And yes, of course, having a slow internet connection, no matter the download method, is one reason not to use a rolling release, or use factory assiduously. It takes me 13 hours to download a DVD at full speed and doing nothing else in the entire house. Realistically, it takes me about two days. So I usually don't use factory till RC time... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQPkpMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XznQCdGAtLA1TEMIpsR9aoMVkiM4wI w+IAnR4JpoDQwRw3PiaX8Ztios2Cv2uY =E9a9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-09-10 05:09, Mike Galbraith wrote:

On Wed, 2014-09-10 at 01:51 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Why would you need to use torrent because your connection is slow?

Here, until a few months ago I needed the fine bw control to be able to work while a download was running. 400/16kib pipes don't multiplex well.

Well, I have that problem, too. I just tell aria2c to go slow. Of course, if you just click on Firefox, you may have a problem. The problem with factory is, of course, that the download may take too long and the server replaces the image with a different one before you can finish... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQQKp8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XHNQCgjhCqZVQgLEA5QWhosRi+5mYu oGYAnRR8vVpMMTujtIgCmsLc5zkjDAfG =0loe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-09-10 09:41, Hans Witvliet wrote:

On Wed, 2014-09-10 at 01:51 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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And yes, of course, having a slow internet connection, no matter the download method, is one reason not to use a rolling release, or use factory assiduously. It takes me 13 hours to download a DVD at full speed and doing nothing else in the entire house. Realistically, it takes me about two days. So I usually don't use factory till RC time...

Let me jump in that.

If you want to download 4,3 GByte, you are going to download 4,3GB, no matter what tool you use...

Certainly. With torrent it is worse, in a sense, because you also upload, which can block or slow down other activities in the house.

If you have a limited down-link, and don't want to sqeeze out other traffic for some time, you have multiple options: - use rsync, and specify the download speed - use tc, and limited all traffic from a specific URL or port

wget and aria2c can limit speed, and they do it well.

Main advantage of torrent is, that the transferred blocks are small, so if a download get interrupted, you can continue without any loss of time I know other tools also have a "resume" option, but not all function properly.

aria2c resumes perfectly. It also does chunk checksum verification, so that an error is corrected by downloading that chunk again, not the entire DVD. Torrent does something similar. Rsync does it in another way. I even do things as brutal as hibernate a machine in the middle of a download, without warning... no big problem. Better if you stop it first, of course.

Other advantage of torrent is, that it reduces the load of the (initial) seeder. But if you do the download from a nearby university (instead of a normal hoster) speed or bandwidth are hardly of any concern to them.

As these are public mirrors that offer themselves, I'm sure it is not a concern to them. Surely they can limit the bandwidth they offer to us to what they can assume. In fact, aria2c will automatically switch to another mirror if the selected one is going slow, or even spread the load on several of them. torrent is a benefit when there is no mirror infrastructure or it is insufficient - as what may happen the day of the release of the final GM.

But i know the feeling, having downloaded an iso image over an 64Kbit link in the bad old days (and confronted with the telco-bill)..

Wow. Well, that was the main reason I paid for the SuSE professional box at the time... :-)) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQQKdMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VriACfTl/0wZZhNWruzFY/tsumRjWQ U9wAn06/xWr8qnB7Wkv+dyzIhbe0eVnf =uDtd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-09-12 09:19, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

Am 10.09.2014 um 01:51 schrieb Carlos E. R.:

I use factory since many years, and I only ever download a DVD if I have to install a released version for somebody else.

Well, one of the things to test in factory is precisely the installation from DVD... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQS+EUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9URPwCdGUT9ZYSI6CidqCnlprIbUBs0 MZEAoIIvVZCFUplX40VehSZfsFkSSuAL =6cxU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/12/2014 02:19 AM, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

Am 10.09.2014 um 01:51 schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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And yes, of course, having a slow internet connection, no matter the download method, is one reason not to use a rolling release, or use factory assiduously. It takes me 13 hours to download a DVD at full speed and doing nothing else in the entire house. Realistically, it

A "rolling release" and "DVD download" are two expressions which have absolutely no overlapping area for me ;-)

Or, to tell it otherwise: you install the latest stable, switch the repos to factory and then update.

It still takes quite some bandwidth, but you only download what's needed (I'd say most peoply do not use ~70% of what is on the DVD. The problem is, that everyone uses another 30% :-)

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takes me about two days. So I usually don't use factory till RC time...

If you look at the release schedule, Beta will be out in 6 days. We are *in* the RC phase, but with a different name. You can effectively consider each snapshot in Factory as a new RC. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 10.09.2014 00:50, Bill Merriam wrote:

Thank you to everyone who responded helpfully. My question is whether mirrorbrain is purposely prevented from providing torrent links. I am going to assume the answer is yes and move on. There is probably a reason why that is, just nobody knows what it is. I will avoid using Factory.

You need register torrents at a tracker and you need seeders - both are non-trivial additions to the existing download infrastructure. While metalinks contain all existant mirrors mirrorbrain has and aria2c will download them in chunks without any additional server support. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org