[opensuse-factory] B2 => My First thoughts
Hello all I just installed Beta 2 using the DVD on my T60 Thinkpad The actual installation time from when I hit the OK (format and install) button till when the kde4 desktop first showed up was 11 minutes Wow that's fast... ! My wifi connection works fine on my Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG card (using iwl3945) once I boot and I select my named (and configured) WPA connection via KNetworkerManager wifi buton on the kde panel This is good news... (re : bug 378000) Despite the fact that my wifi is up and works OK konqueror in the Network Status section of the "sysinfo:/ page shows Unkown network status I put a photo at http://pagesperso-orange.fr/j.pearson/T60.B2.png wifi still does not come up automatically on boot (despite the fact that is configured to do so). I gather that this (See message "Couldn't get connection secrets: dbus-settings.c.108 - Connection's plugin did not return a secrets hash") is a known problem which is caused by the way netmanager interacts with opensuse boot configuration settings. Here is what I see on my machine with regards to that... # netmanager log post boot May 3 14:26:25 linux NetworkManager: <info> Trying to start the system settings daemon... May 3 14:26:29 linux NetworkManager: <info> Bringing up device eth0 May 3 14:26:29 linux NetworkManager: <info> Deactivating device eth0. May 3 14:26:29 linux NetworkManager: <info> Bringing up device wlan0 May 3 14:26:29 linux NetworkManager: <info> Deactivating device wlan0. May 3 14:26:30 linux NetworkManager: <info> (wlan0) supplicant interface is now in state 2 (from 1). May 3 14:26:32 linux NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) starting connection 'System Mercury (wlan0)' May 3 14:26:32 linux NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) scheduled... May 3 14:26:32 linux NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) started... May 3 14:26:32 linux NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) scheduled... May 3 14:26:32 linux NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) complete. May 3 14:26:32 linux NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) starting... May 3 14:26:32 linux NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0/wireless): access point 'System Mercury (wlan0)' has security, but secrets are required. May 3 14:26:32 linux NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) complete. May 3 14:26:32 linux NetworkManager: <WARN> get_secrets_cb(): Couldn't get connection secrets: dbus-settings.c.108 - Connection's plugin did not return a secrets hash.. May 3 14:26:32 linux NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) failed for access point (Mercury) May 3 14:26:32 linux NetworkManager: <info> Marking connection 'System Mercury (wlan0)' invalid. May 3 14:26:32 linux NetworkManager: <info> Activation (wlan0) failed. May 3 14:26:32 linux NetworkManager: <info> Deactivating device wlan0. Thats all for now Have good week-end Regards James --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
I read that other distributions (ubuntu, fedora) have problems with high number of hard drive load cycles and "clicks" on certain laptops (Dell XPS, IBM T60, ...) and with certain hard drives (for example samsung, but not only). If you are testing openSUSE 11 beta releases, would you please do a check on your hard drive cycles? As root, simply type: smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle_Count take note of the number at the end of the line. Repeat after 10-15 minutes and look at the number again. Same after one hour or so. If you notice a significant increase in the number of cycles during regular use, please report it. P.S. I CC you James, because I saw you have a T60 :-) Thanks in advance, Alberto --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello alll
On Sat, 03 May 2008 13:40:57 -0500
Alberto Passalacqua
I read that other distributions (ubuntu, fedora) have problems with high number of hard drive load cycles and "clicks" on certain laptops (Dell XPS, IBM T60, ...) and with certain hard drives (for example samsung, but not only).
If you are testing openSUSE 11 beta releases, would you please do a check on your hard drive cycles?
As root, simply type:
smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle_Count
take note of the number at the end of the line.
Repeat after 10-15 minutes and look at the number again. Same after one hour or so.
In order to answer your queston (Load_Cycle_Count variations as seen by smartctl under B2 ) I decided to recompile the kernel as that is a fairly heavy loadwork. Here are my observations # last night when I noticed your email linux:~ # smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle_Count 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 2729 # today before compiling kernel linux:~ # smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle_Count 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 2730 # today after compiling kernel linux:~ # smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle_Count 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 2734 # today after booting using the new compiled kernel linux:~ # smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle_Count 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 2737 Wifi works fine under the new kernel but my usb hotplug doesn't work now (I'm using new compiled kernel) - what do I need to do to get it working again? Regards James --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 4. Mai 2008 schrieb James PEARSON:
[...] In order to answer your queston (Load_Cycle_Count variations as seen by smartctl under B2 ) I decided to recompile the kernel as that is a fairly heavy loadwork. [...]
This special value increases, if there is almost no load. Putting the hard drive under heavy load will stop the increase. See http://en.opensuse.org/Disk_Power_Management Gruß Jan -- Schizophrenia beats being alone. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 4 May 2008 21:36:15 +0200
Jan Ritzerfeld
Am Sonntag, 4. Mai 2008 schrieb James PEARSON:
[...] In order to answer your queston (Load_Cycle_Count variations as seen by smartctl under B2 ) I decided to recompile the kernel as that is a fairly heavy loadwork. [...]
This special value increases, if there is almost no load. Putting the hard drive under heavy load will stop the increase. See http://en.opensuse.org/Disk_Power_Management
Ok so I left my T60 on all night (23 h 30 to 7 h 30 this morning) Here is the new reading... linux:~ # smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle_Count 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 2746 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-05-04 at 19:53 +0200, James PEARSON wrote:
If you are testing openSUSE 11 beta releases, would you please do a check on your hard drive cycles?
In order to answer your queston (Load_Cycle_Count variations as seen by smartctl under B2 ) I decided to recompile the kernel as that is a fairly heavy loadwork.
Then you got wrong results: if the disk is busy, the disk doesn't "cycle". You have to test it under typical use, specially low usage. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIHjpmtTMYHG2NR9URAmApAJwMJekcy2Zt2fAGJ8D3SIQ7cb+dGQCfbFO5 /WYS2taMB7+DVysUtYwTq6E= =Wq3j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 3. Mai 2008 schrieb Alberto Passalacqua:
[...] If you notice a significant increase in the number of cycles during regular use, please report it.
I get approximately 100 per hour, using 11.0 Beta 2.
P.S. I CC you James, because I saw you have a T60 :-)
Me a R61. Gruß Jan -- A liberal is someone too poor to be conservative, and too rich to be a communist. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
I get approximately 100 per hour, using 11.0 Beta 2.
P.S. I CC you James, because I saw you have a T60 :-)
According to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695 a reasonable value is 15 cycles per hour, except while during on heavy usage on battery, so 100 cycles/hour seems too high. Probably it's better to extend the test to a wider scale and try to find a fix. What do you think? It would be useful to have some feedback from developers. With kind regards, Alberto --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
I opened this bug-report: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=386555 and I also found the bug was known (sorry for the duplicate): https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=338230 Regards, Alberto --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 5. Mai 2008 schrieb Alberto Passalacqua:
I get approximately 100 per hour, using 11.0 Beta 2.
P.S. I CC you James, because I saw you have a T60 :-)
According to
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695
a reasonable value is 15 cycles per hour, except while during on heavy usage on battery, so 100 cycles/hour seems too high. [...]
Using "date; smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle_Count" Battery power: Mon May 5 19:08:11 CEST 2008 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 15990 Mon May 5 19:09:46 CEST 2008 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 15993 Mon May 5 19:17:25 CEST 2008 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 16021 Mon May 5 19:17:31 CEST 2008 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 16022 Mon May 5 19:30:33 CEST 2008 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 16111 Mon May 5 19:31:20 CEST 2008 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 16117 Mon May 5 19:34:05 CEST 2008 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 16138 Power plug: Mon May 5 19:35:05 CEST 2008 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 16155 Mon May 5 19:35:34 CEST 2008 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 16160 Mon May 5 19:38:25 CEST 2008 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 16165 Mon May 5 19:46:13 CEST 2008 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 16170 Mon May 5 20:04:36 CEST 2008 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 16231 Mon May 5 20:09:35 CEST 2008 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 16235 Mon May 5 20:26:45 CEST 2008 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 16304 Gruß Jan -- Most men who run down women are usually running down only one woman. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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