Hi again.

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I have read the current news on the openSUSE team and the plans to step back from the development.

... for some time to work on (for them or even us) more important things.

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In general, I don't see a big problem here, but one thing really makes me a bit anxious: As Coolo is also part of the team, is it even possible to release a new version of openSUSE without him?

Probably not completely but given this post http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2014-01/msg00416.html I understood that coolo would be willing to help for a release in November. And I also would hope that coolo wouldn't just disappear from the world. I'm always wondering why SUSE employed openSUSE community members are limited to their "8 hour work". I do (almost) all my contributions outside my day job in my

http://osrc.dfm.io/coolo - if you watch closely I sleep ~3 hours a day ;)

Which is even one more reason for why you shouldn't need to do all the work alone. I have taken a look at: https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-13-1-release/issues and think I could help on some future issues like that. I am going to talk to Ludwig about that, so that he gives me some instructions. Greets Marcus

Am 05.02.2014 11:41, schrieb Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar:

I interpret the graph that you sleep about 6 hours.. between 3pm and 9pm...

Which puts an interesting question, related to the initial statement on this page: Stephan is a nine-to-fiver who works best in the morning (around 7 am).

Nine-to-five? you sleep on the rest of your shift? :)

Meanwile I fixed my timezone in github - and it's scaringly obvious when it's dinner time in my family ;) Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Dne St 5. února 2014 12:18:39, Matwey V. Kornilov napsal(a):

On 05.02.2014 11:45, Marcus Moeller wrote:

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One option I could see is to setup a Release Team with members from the Community and maybe someone from SUSE and do a hackweek together with Coolo to instruct the team. So Coolo, if you read this, do you thing that could be an option? Would you offer your help to hand over the tasks to such a team?

It is better to write docs in order to everyone clearly understand how does it work. Folklore tends to be modified on the fly.

We actually started documenting it. Explaining what goes where (really limited mostly for the factory maintenance which is crushial for the proper release). But we kinda hit lack of people there as nobody really volunteered to chip in. For starters take a look on the wiki [1]. The issue now is that some tools are done pretty hackishly so we are cleaning up wrt the staging workflow changes so it will be more friendly. And also we now run some of the services on machine that is visible only from the inside, but as it is virtual machine we can later on move it somewhere we can give access to trusted persons. Current start point would be to help us with the staging bugs we put under easy hacks [2] or try to fix failures directly on Factory to see how much fun it is :) Cheers Tom [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Release_team_processes [2] https://progress.opensuse.org/versions/69

Quoting Stephan Kulow :

On 05.02.2014 08:45, Marcus Moeller wrote:

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Hi all,

I have read the current news on the openSUSE team and the plans to step back from the development.

In general, I don't see a big problem here, but one thing really makes me a bit anxious: As Coolo is also part of the team, is it even possible to release a new version of openSUSE without him?

From what I know for now, nobody except Coolo knows all the stuff that is necessary for releng.

One option I could see is to setup a Release Team with members from the Community and maybe someone from SUSE and do a hackweek together with Coolo to instruct the team. So Coolo, if you read this, do you thing that could be an option? Would you offer your help to hand over the tasks to such a team?

I never planed not to help. All I wish for are more helping hands and better tools to support them.

I am pretty sure that I will take care of my tasks [1] to help 13.2. Testing and update simulations is something that I can do with pleasure. Of course if this mentoring week happens, I will assist too.

Greetings, Stephan

[1] https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-13-1-release/issues?c[]=subject&c[]=project&c[]=status&c[]=assigned_to&c[]=fixed_version&c[]=is_private&c[]=due_date&c[]=cf_9&c[]=relations&f[]=status_id&f[]=assigned_to_id&f[]=&group_by=&op[assigned_to_id]=%3D&op[status_id]=*&per_page=50&set_filter=1&utf8=%E2%9C%93&v[assigned_to_id][]=16 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Hi all,

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I have read the current news on the openSUSE team and the plans to step back from the development.

As pointed out by Wolfgang the team is stepping back from the release process for a certain amount of time.

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In general, I don't see a big problem here, but one thing really makes me a bit anxious: As Coolo is also part of the team, is it even possible to release a new version of openSUSE without him?

At this point probably not that is correct. But there are two things to consider. First the openSUSE Team has committed to pick the release work back up and help get a 13.2 release out the door in November. Secondly there was no major movement of people pushing to stick with the 8 month release cycle and have a release in July.

Of those that spoke up a majority of people were OK with a 12 month release cycle. While we got to the 12 month cycle in kind of an ugly fashion, in the end those that do the work decide. There were few, if any, standing up to exclaim that we needed to have a release in July. Now we can argue over the potential reasons why people didn't stand up and make a push for a July release, but that is not necessarily going to help us.

From what I have read through the lines from previous posts, it's not only about release cycles, but to make factory more stable, so we could have some kind of rolling release, where a bare install media is generated every month or so. This also leads to the question if releases in the form we know, still make sense. Rolling would also bring the benefit that SUSE developers can step in and help, whenever they got some time to do so. Even more classic users could use factory for their setups as long as it's stable enough and they install updates on a regular basis (which could be communitcated clearly on the download page). Doing both, a stable rolling and regular releases, might lead to even more work then it's now. But maybe I am wrong here and a stable rolling might make releases easier. Greets Marcus