Am Freitag, 16. September 2011 schrieb Ismail Donmez:

On 09/16/2011 02:20 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

There are some things we need to get done before we can call Milestone 6 Beta:

- kpat is 4.7.0

Due to python-twisted kdegames4 is unresolvable.

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- there are still 22 build failures in openSUSE:Factory:Staging:DtNeeded,

we'll revert the patch in binutils I guess.

Lets fix them instead of reverting. I rather concentrate on the real bugs and I suggest you do too.

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Am Montag, 19. September 2011, 16:20:09 schrieb Cristian Rodríguez:

On 16/09/11 09:46, Ismail Donmez wrote:

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- there are still 22 build failures in openSUSE:Factory:Staging:DtNeeded,>> we'll revert the patch in binutils I guess.

Lets fix them instead of reverting.

Yeah, the count is down to 8 now, I will fix some more.

What 8? I count 21 build failures still: http://is.gd/DDfBgl Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Friday, September 16, 2011 07:58:35 AM Karl Eichwalder wrote:

Stephan Kulow writes:

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This is just what came to my mind, I bet there is more if you start looking into bugzilla.

Probably not a show stopper, but something nice to have (even if it breaks translations for the moment): Slide-show update: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=671697 Looking more up t date gives more confidence to a new user. Why not add other slides on things like hotkeys, or types of amazing software that people wouldn't know about otherwise? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Le 17/09/2011 10:20, Stephan Kulow a écrit :

This really asks for someone to raise a hand for volunteering. I for one never look at the slides, but if we can't find a volunteer we at least have to disable the slide show for real.

it's work for the marketting team :-) - ask on the marketting list, thanks jdd

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This really asks for someone to raise a hand for volunteering.

Done. See bug report for updated file. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Am Samstag, 17. September 2011, 13:48:06 schrieb Markus Slopianka:

Not to sound like whining but before the release of oS 11.4 the terrible KDE integration of LibreOffice was declared a showstopper and nothing happened, leaving LO with KDE integration to be less stable, with rendering glitches, Who declared it a show stopper? I don't remember details.

For the release, ship stoppers are things that can't be fixed by updates and/or makes working for many users hard to impossible. And most importantly we have to have a reasonable chance to get it fixed. Rendering glitches in LO don't sound like a ship stopper, but rather a detail. We can't release perfect software, we simply can't. Greetings, Stephan

and worse performing than without any integration support at all.

Are problems with LO considered showstoppers at all or are you just waiting for 12.2 to replace LO with Calligra? (Honest question, really not whining at all.)

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Am Sonntag, 18. September 2011 schrieb Jogchum Reitsma:

Op 16-09-11 14:20, Stephan Kulow schreef:

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Hi,

There are some things we need to get done before we can call Milestone 6 Beta:

- kpat is 4.7.0 - 11.4 artwork needs to go. Unless of course the artwork says this will stay

for the final.

- systemd still has several issues on the live cd and first boot after

installation

- there are still 22 build failures in openSUSE:Factory:Staging:DtNeeded,

we'll revert the patch in binutils I guess.

- we have no kernel-xen - several kmps do not build: ndiswrapper, omnibook, vmpware-guest, xen,

xtables-addons

This is just what came to my mind, I bet there is more if you start looking into bugzilla.

Greetings, Stephan

Is the problem I have with LibreOffice ( see my post "Libreoffice 3.3 in M5 stops X from reacting" from 5 Sept). a candidate?

No, that's a typical bug beta that happens in betas. But do you have a bug nummer associated for it? If so, we can start with filling most_annoying bugs right away. But make sure to test the devel project - libreoffice saw an update since M5. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Op 19-09-11 19:50, Jogchum Reitsma schreef:

Op 19-09-11 10:07, Stephan Kulow schreef:

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Am Sonntag, 18. September 2011 schrieb Jogchum Reitsma:

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Is the problem I have with LibreOffice ( see my post "Libreoffice 3.3 in M5 stops X from reacting" from 5 Sept). a candidate?

No, that's a typical bug beta that happens in betas. But do you have a bug nummer associated for it? If so, we can start with filling most_annoying bugs right away.

But make sure to test the devel project - libreoffice saw an update since M5.

Greetings, Stephan

I didn't file a bug, because I couldn't find a 12.1 LibreOffice component in Bugzilla - there is one for OpenOffice, but I suppose it's not OK to file the bug there?

I'll test the devel project, and be back here.

regards, Jogchum I'm back :-)

I checked the version of LO, it's 333.1-1.x (x varying between 1 and 5, for the various components of LO). I added the build service repo for LO, but that didn't offer me a newer version of LO. Are you meaning something else with "the devel project"? And, I checked again, and can't find an entry for the LO-component within 12.1 in Bugzilla. So no bug number yet... regards, Jogchum -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Op 19-09-11 21:14, Andreas Jaeger schreef:

On Monday, September 19, 2011 08:35:47 PM Jogchum Reitsma wrote:

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Op 19-09-11 19:50, Jogchum Reitsma schreef:

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Op 19-09-11 10:07, Stephan Kulow schreef:

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Am Sonntag, 18. September 2011 schrieb Jogchum Reitsma:

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Is the problem I have with LibreOffice ( see my post "Libreoffice 3.3 in M5 stops X from reacting" from 5 Sept). a candidate? No, that's a typical bug beta that happens in betas. But do you have a bug nummer associated for it? If so, we can start with filling most_annoying bugs right away.

But make sure to test the devel project - libreoffice saw an update since M5.

Greetings, Stephan I didn't file a bug, because I couldn't find a 12.1 LibreOffice component in Bugzilla - there is one for OpenOffice, but I suppose it's not OK to file the bug there?

I'll test the devel project, and be back here.

regards, Jogchum I'm back :-)

I checked the version of LO, it's 333.1-1.x (x varying between 1 and 5, for the various components of LO). I added the build service repo for LO, but that didn't offer me a newer version of LO. Are you meaning something else with "the devel project"?

And, I checked again, and can't find an entry for the LO-component within 12.1 in Bugzilla. So no bug number yet... File it against OpenOffice.Org would have been fine.

I'm logging into bugzilla admin interface now and change OpenOffice.Org to LibreOffice, so this should be fine in an hour,

Andreas OK, my apologies for the misunderstanding. I call it a day now, I'll file a bug tomorrow and report the bug number here.

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On Tuesday 20 September 2011 18:57:10 Stephan Kulow wrote:

All in all I see no beta this week and next week SUSE has hackweek blackout ;(

Do not know if it worth as showstopper, but MIDI does not work by default due to wrong command line options: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=675426 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Do not know if it worth as showstopper, but MIDI does not work by default due to wrong command line options:

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=675426 MIDI? that's the what the kids used before MP3 was invented, no?

If it affects 11.3 and 11.4, it can't be a show stopper for 12.1 - by definition.

MIDI is what professional musicians still use. It's what lots of music for lots of movies is made of (when it's not a real orchestra). And I agree, it cannot be a showstopper if it's a long standing issue, but it *would* be nice to fix if the problem has been identified already. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 20 September 2011 19:18:34 Claudio Freire wrote:

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Do not know if it worth as showstopper, but MIDI does not work by default due to wrong command line options:

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=675426 MIDI? that's the what the kids used before MP3 was invented, no?

If it affects 11.3 and 11.4, it can't be a show stopper for 12.1 - by definition.

MIDI is what professional musicians still use. It's what lots of music for lots of movies is made of (when it's not a real orchestra).

And I agree, it cannot be a showstopper if it's a long standing issue, but it *would* be nice to fix if the problem has been identified already.

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Le 20/09/2011 16:57, Stephan Kulow a écrit :

All in all I see no beta this week and next week SUSE has hackweek blackout ;(

I don't really mind to have beta now, but marketting team is waiting for feature freeze to write documentation. Are there any sofware change expected since beta? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.youtube.com/user/jdddodinorg http://jdd.blip.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 20 September 2011 19:25:54 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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All in all I see no beta this week and next week SUSE has hackweek blackout ;(

I don't really mind to have beta now, but marketting team is waiting for feature freeze to write documentation. Are there any sofware change expected since beta?

Well, Milestone6 (the old name for Beta) is start of localization testing. So artwork and translations should be close to completion, just like all features. But we will update patchlevel versions - that might or might not change features.

What about creating a pattern for KDE3? I have no knowledge of pattern creating? but I can provide a list of packages to include in the pattern. Also what about creating a Live media with KDE3? I can export a kiwi config from SUSE Studio, would it be worth? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Am 20.09.2011 20:19, schrieb Roger Luedecke:

On Tuesday, September 20, 2011 08:31:07 AM Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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On Tuesday 20 September 2011 19:25:54 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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> > > All in all I see no beta this week and next week SUSE has hackweek > > > blackout ;( > > I don't really mind to have beta now, but marketting team is waiting > for feature freeze to write documentation. Are there any sofware > change expected since beta?

Well, Milestone6 (the old name for Beta) is start of localization testing. So artwork and translations should be close to completion, just like all features. But we will update patchlevel versions - that might or might not change features.

What about creating a pattern for KDE3? I have no knowledge of pattern creating? but I can provide a list of packages to include in the pattern.

Also what about creating a Live media with KDE3? I can export a kiwi config from SUSE Studio, would it be worth? As much trouble as we had with our 11.4 release, adding yet another LiveCD would just add to the complexity and probablity of breakage.

There´s nothing that speaks against another LiveCD, have a look at SUSEGallery.com, there dozens of them ;-) @Ilya Why not? There´s a derivates page in the wiki, so... Kim PS: I would suggest everyone to continue the KDE3-LiveCD discussion on the KDE list and not in this thread... ;-) -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Tuesday 20 September 2011 22:42:18 Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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PS: I would suggest everyone to continue the KDE3-LiveCD discussion on the KDE list and not in this thread... ;-)

I doubt there is anybody in opensuse-kde3 mailing list who knows how to make Live CD's There are mostly users there...

If you create it with susestudio it gets very easy at least for a proof of concept. I've done a couple and the hard part for me was tuning the exact startup procedure. In theory you can run your boot CD in a special VM and hand tune it, then the changes are incorporated into the LiveCD. I did not have much luck with that, but it was over a year ago I tried. Why don't you get one of the advanced users to try it. They can ask for help lots of places. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Am Dienstag, 20. September 2011 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:

On Tuesday, September 20, 2011 05:31:07 PM Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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On Tuesday 20 September 2011 19:25:54 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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All in all I see no beta this week and next week SUSE has hackweek blackout ;(

I don't really mind to have beta now, but marketting team is waiting for feature freeze to write documentation. Are there any sofware change expected since beta?

Well, Milestone6 (the old name for Beta) is start of localization testing. So artwork and translations should be close to completion, just like all features. But we will update patchlevel versions - that might or might not change features.

What about creating a pattern for KDE3? I have no knowledge of pattern creating? but I can provide a list of packages to include in the pattern.

Please open a bug against patterns and provide a list of: required packages - those need to be installed in any case recommend packages - those should be installed but can be deselected suggested - optional ones that are not installed by default

I don't want another KDE pattern. This is very confusing for users. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Am 21.09.2011 17:56, schrieb Ilya Chernykh:

On Wednesday 21 September 2011 12:16:38 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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I don't want another KDE pattern. This is very confusing for users. How about building KDE3 appliance in SUSE Studio then? I think there is a template only if there is a pattern.

What about them then? http://susegallery.com/search?q=KDE3 -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 21 September 2011 12:16:38 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Please open a bug against patterns and provide a list of: required packages - those need to be installed in any case recommend packages - those should be installed but can be deselected suggested - optional ones that are not installed by default

I don't want another KDE pattern. This is very confusing for users.

If it is confusing, does it mean that patters cannot do their main function at all? Do we need another mechanism? What are the other means of package classification in openSUSE? How to make people not to come to opensuse-kde3 regularly with questions how to install KDE3? Not all people know about kdebase3-session package so some people even try to create display manager entries by hand instead of installing the package. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 2011/09/22 11:25 (GMT+0200) Stephan Kulow composed:

You might want to name it Trinity Desktop perhaps

Did you mean to apply a smiley? Only if someone is going to bring the KDE3 repos current. Last I checked, they were stuck on 3.5.10. Trinity is at 3.5.12, meaning quite some number of bug fixes most likely are not in the openSUSE repos. http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 2011/09/22 20:52 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:

Felix Miata wrote:

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Did you mean to apply a smiley? Only if someone is going to bring the KDE3 repos current. Last I checked, they were stuck on 3.5.10. Trinity is at 3.5.12, meaning quite some number of bug fixes most likely are not in the openSUSE repos. http://www.trinitydesktop.org/

Can you please give links to diffs to such "bug fixes" instead of just speading FUD.

Not to belittle your marvelous effort, as that's certainly not my intent. However, as long as KDE3 is the reported name in the openSUSE repos, and its version remains 3.5.10, I find it hard to believe 3.5.12 users on other distros aren't better off overall with their DTEs than openSUSE users are, in spite of your much appreciated KDE3 efforts. That said: http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=RESOLVED&resolution=FIXED&product=TDE That's 136 bugs marked fixed in about a month short of 3 years. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 2011/09/22 23:44 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:

Felix Miata wrote:

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That said: http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=RESOLVED&resolution=FIXED&product=TDE

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That's 136 bugs marked fixed in about a month short of 3 years.

Your search gives zero results.

Maybe there was paste error. It worked here: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/tdebuglistcap1.jpg Try http://tinyurl.com/3nhyjws instead.

Please look at the list of Trinity patches and if you find anything useful I will apply it in KDE:KDE3:

http://www.trinitydesktop.org/patches/

I'm no programmer. There's no way I can distinguish among irrelevant, necessary, desirable, unnecessary and so forth, or even what most of them are about. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 2011/09/23 01:00 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:

On Friday 23 September 2011 00:37:15 Felix Miata wrote:

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http://www.trinitydesktop.org/patches/

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I'm no programmer. There's no way I can distinguish among irrelevant, necessary, desirable, unnecessary and so forth, or even what most of them are about.

Ok. Than what's the base for your claims?

Subscriptions to Trinity and opensuse-kde3 mailing lists. And, if openSUSE's KDE3 were a functional equivalent to current Trinity, I'd expect to see words to that effect on occasion in opensuse-kde3 posts, if not a version match in the RPMs in the openSUSE repos. And, since no one but you seems to be putting much time, if any time, into openSUSE's KDE3 maintenance, I find it hard to believe you're not overworked and missing things for lack of time. Are you a superman? Is what you're doing easier than it seems to mere non-programmer user/testers like me? Are there others quieter than you sharing the KDE3 work? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 22 September 2011 13:25:13 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Please open a bug against patterns and provide a list of: required packages - those need to be installed in any case recommend packages - those should be installed but can be deselected suggested - optional ones that are not installed by default

I don't want another KDE pattern. This is very confusing for users.

If it is confusing, does it mean that patters cannot do their main function at all? Do we need another mechanism?

What are the other means of package classification in openSUSE?

You might want to name it Trinity Desktop perhaps

If it was Trinity Desktop, then it could be named Trinity Desktop, of course. But it is not Trinity Desktop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 22 September 2011 20:58:31 Roman Bysh wrote:

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You might want to name it Trinity Desktop perhaps

Greetings, Stephan

I think Trinity Desktop is a great name.

We do not ant to confuse users further, yes? If we provided Trinity, I would agree the pattern should be named Trinity. Otherwise it is just unnecessary confusion, not to say we have no right to use their trademark when shipping another product. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Am 22.09.2011 19:13, schrieb Ilya Chernykh:

What about "KDE Classic" name?

+1 -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Le 20/09/2011 17:25, Stephan Kulow a écrit :

Well, Milestone6 (the old name for Beta) is start of localization testing. So artwork and translations should be close to completion,

I don't know for translations, but for artwork, at OSC it was not even at the beginning :-( just like all

features. But we will update patchlevel versions - that might or might not change features.

we try to take care of release notes, but can't do this if we don't know the release version of the applications. Can you drop an eye here http://ietherpad.com/12-1-release-notes and say if we are mostly right? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.youtube.com/user/jdddodinorg http://jdd.blip.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wed 21 Sep 2011 02:41:05 PM CEST, Ismail Donmez wrote:

On Wed 21 Sep 2011 01:54:54 PM CEST, Ismail Donmez wrote:

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Hi;

On 09/16/2011 02:20 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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- several kmps do not build: ndiswrapper, omnibook, vmpware-guest, xen, xtables-addons

I fixed ndiswrapper, SR #84154

omnibook is fixed and sent to Factory. xtables-addons fix sent to the devel project.

Also fix for vmware-guest is sent to the devel project. I don't see xen failing anywhere btw. Regards. -- İsmail Dönmez - openSUSE Booster SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 25 September 2011, 22:23:18 Claudio Freire wrote:

On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:

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Given, the 11.4 went by with this unnoticed, please don't be that pitiless again. (I really wonder, if everybody hitting this just installs apache and gumble in the mustache, or what?)

I know I did that. Just no mustache.

;) For the record: Michael Andres fixed this issue a few days ago, hence factory is installable via NFS again! *WOW* Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org