On Friday, 27 April 2018 08:44:17 BST Michal Kubecek wrote:

On Friday, 27 April 2018 9:35 Ianseeks wrote:

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I've not been able to read this email in the normal functions of kmail i.e. view in message window (its blank) or opening it (double click opens it but its blank). The only way i was able to read this email was to double click to open it and select "View Source". Anyone else experiencing this?

Same here (kmail on Tumbleweed). It does display in mutt without any problem but it's quite long (23529 lines, 868 KB). Thanks, glad its not a problem on just my machine. I've now posed the question on the kdepim-users list as well to see if there is a fixed size limit. i will log it depending on the answer from the kdepim list.

Michal Kubeček

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On vendredi, 27 avril 2018 12.28:16 h CEST Peter Suetterlin wrote:

Michal Kubecek wrote:

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On Friday, 27 April 2018 9:35 Ianseeks wrote:

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I've not been able to read this email in the normal functions of kmail i.e. view in message window (its blank) or opening it (double click opens it but its blank). The only way i was able to read this email was to double click to open it and select "View Source". Anyone else experiencing this?

Same here (kmail on Tumbleweed). It does display in mutt without any problem but it's quite long (23529 lines, 868 KB).

Gah. I thought they wanted to fix this (over)quoting of changelogs. Looks like it contains the same text for many applications from the same suite.

True quite strangely, all KDE related software were several time listed which is good, but all of them throw a heavy changes (When it should be limited to, and that's the damn hard part) the last commits from previously released rpm. I guess we will have to live with as there's no golden rules for shrinking the list of changes. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch Bareos Partner, openSUSE Member, fsfe fellowship GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-04-27 14:03, Luca Beltrame wrote:

Il giorno Fri, 27 Apr 2018 13:07:45 +0200 Bruno Friedmann ha scritto:

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True quite strangely, all KDE related software were several time listed which is good, but all of them throw a heavy changes (When it

I'll switch dates from now on to use UTC in the changelogs for the stuff I update, so there should be less problems.

IMHO, all log and dates in an international community as Linux should use UTC everywhere. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On vendredi, 27 avril 2018 13.42:27 h CEST Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:

On Fri, 2018-04-27 at 11:28 +0100, Peter Suetterlin wrote:

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Michal Kubecek wrote:

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On Friday, 27 April 2018 9:35 Ianseeks wrote:

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I've not been able to read this email in the normal functions of kmail i.e. view in message window (its blank) or opening it (double click opens it but its blank). The only way i was able to read this email was to double click to open it and select "View Source". Anyone else experiencing this?

Same here (kmail on Tumbleweed). It does display in mutt without any problem but it's quite long (23529 lines, 868 KB).

Gah. I thought they wanted to fix this (over)quoting of changelogs. Looks like it contains the same text for many applications from the same suite. For the curious readers, so 'they' can fix stuff:

The underlying issue is https://github.com/openSUSE/obs-build/issues/439

The timeswitch from CET to CEST, and the KDE Team not using UTC in the .changes files, resulted in triggering this bug and in turn dates being recalculated in the rpm changelog. Consequence is, that the diff- generator could not find how the new changelog 'appends' to the old one, and resorted to giving a full log.

The diff generator can be found at https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-release-tools/blob/master/factory-packa ge-news/factory-package-news.py and if somebody has some spare cycles, it could be nice to teach this thing to 'shorten the diff per package' if it can't really detect the diff.

(I honestly thought this community got over the 'they-attitude' - but seems not everbody got the memo: WE ARE openSUSE - there is no THEY!)

Cheers, Dominique

Hey thanks for the pointer Dominique, don't misunderstand my use of they (in that specific case, it was pointing the maintainer of the tools, and also our upstream packager group of KDE proposed software). Your explanations are so valuable: the root cause, the where it happen and how WE can help to fix it. I make any needed deep apologies if someone involved in our community was offended by my previous email. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch Bareos Partner, openSUSE Member, fsfe fellowship GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2018-04-27 at 13:06 +0100, Peter Suetterlin wrote:

Hi Dominique,

first, sorry for the 'they'.

No worries - I just felt like needed to stress this again, as I started reading things along those lines more often.

I remembered the discussion about utterly long changelog quotes. And I was in the impression this had been fixed, as there had not been such long mails in quite a time (that I remembered). Your explanation does confirm this, no?

I think this time around we got to the bottom of the issue and actually understand it even a bit better, which will help in finding the right fix. The fact that we did not see it for a while is likley that we only switch timezones twice a year (CET->CEST->CET). The 2nd case I know when those long logs happen is in case of reverts of packages, as then the new package's timestamps are out of sync to the old one.

The 'they' in this case refered to the Gurus that understand the details of how those mails are generated - I wouldn't even have a clue where to start looking.

I gave the pointers in my reply - so this was a valid excuse before, but not anymore :) Not saying YOU have to fix it now, but if you feel like scratching an itch, this could be it. Cheers, Dominique

Il giorno Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:08:27 +0200 Michal Kubecek ha scritto:

unfortunate: it highlights the selected mail in folder view but keeps previous contents of the message view (e.g. another e-mail) displayed and does not indicate there is a problem in any way.

The big question is (I didn't look at the code, though) whether QWebEngine can tell that it won't be able to display the mail or not. If it can, it's a bug in kmail (rather, the messageviewer library).

Am Freitag, 27. April 2018, 16:00:43 schrieb ellanios82:

On 27/04/18 13:01, Luca Beltrame wrote:

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If it can, it's a bug in kmail

- since akonadi adopted by kmail ---> path all downhill

This has absolutely nothing to do with Akonadi. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/27/2018 10:54 AM, Luca Beltrame wrote:

Il giorno Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:35:54 +0100 Ianseeks ha scritto:

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email was to double click to open it and select "View Source". Anyone else experiencing this?

If it's very large, it's due to a limitation in (surprise, surprise) QWebEngine from Qt, which is used to render the mails.

This is seriously ridiculous. They broke tons of compatibility with non-x86 architectures by shifting to WebEngine which is based on Chrome and then this monstrosity isn't even able to open an email which displays perfectly fine on Thunderbird. Adrian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

пʼятниця, 27 квітня 2018 р. 12:39:38 EEST Mykola Krachkovsky написано:

before) a warning about it's limit about roughly 20MiB limit of a percent

Surely, there should be 2 (two), not twenty. IDK, why I've typed zero. -- Kind regards, Mykola Krachkovsky -- Найкращі побажання, Микола Крачковський

On 04/27/2018 11:58 AM, Luca Beltrame wrote:

In data venerdì 27 aprile 2018 11:11:57 CEST, hai scritto:

(please don't CC me, I'm subscribed)

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This is seriously ridiculous. They broke tons of compatibility with non-x86 architectures by shifting to WebEngine which is based on Chrome and then

There was no other choice at the time, with QtWebKit being deprecated by Qt (for those who say "but there's Annulen's fork!" wake me up when we get a tagged, released version).

With "they" I was talking about Qt upstream. Chrome is a typical Google product where the main focus is solely about commercial interests. You will realize that when you try to get a patch merged upstream. Unless it's useful to them and not only useful to others, it will usually get rejected. I would have stayed with WebKit which should be enough for 99% of the usecases of an HTML rendering engine inside a Qt application and also doesn't heavily limit the portability of Qt. Adrian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

пʼятниця, 27 квітня 2018 р. 13:48:45 EEST Joachim Wagner написано:

Does Qt document the limitation and/or return an error / throw an exception, i.e. is the bug on kmail's side, on Qt's side or both?

I've wrote already in this thread, now it's a KMail bug, as it's documented limit in Qt [1]. [1] http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qwebenginepage.html#setHtml -- Kind regards, Mykola Krachkovsky -- Найкращі побажання, Микола Крачковський

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 09:51:27 +0200 (CEST) Jan Engelhardt wrote:

I guess it's time to extend Zawinski's Law with:

Every (mail-reading) program will expand until it can no longer read mail.

Oh, very good! Well played. I confess as I tried out every email client I could find in the Tumbleweed repos, and found them all wanting or lacking in some way, either relatively small or vast, that I told myself that I wasn't really at fault for relying on Gmail for my personal stuff. (I currently use Claws and it annoys me on a multiple-times-per-day basis.) Although the latest update to Gmail is the least annoying it's ever had, the webapp has *significantly* degraded since its launch. It used to me much more powerful; now it's easier, simpler, and that today is more important than genuine functionality. But saying that, and for all it frustrates me -- for example recently Google remove the feature whereby you could select some text and reply and it correctly quoted just that and then positioned the cursor correctly beneath it -- it's *still* better than basically any FOSS or freeware email client I have seen in a decade and a half. If the FOSS community, as some have claimed, is better at copying existing tools than innovating and creating new ones, then why there is no FOSS clone of Gmail Version 1 which can run against any IMAP server is a mystery to me. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Just curious. Where you able to see the snapshot mail from 20180419? It was slightly smaller than 20180425. Cheers, -- /bengan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On vendredi, 27 avril 2018 12.32:50 h CEST Ianseeks wrote:

On Friday, 27 April 2018 11:28:52 BST Bengt Gördén wrote:

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Just curious. Where you able to see the snapshot mail from 20180419? It was slightly smaller than 20180425.

Cheers,

No, same problem. For some reason i missed opening that one.

you can still see content by using v (view source) -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch Bareos Partner, openSUSE Member, fsfe fellowship GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am Freitag, 27. April 2018, 11:18:50 schrieb Ianseeks:

Thanks Luca. Should I log it or is it something we'll have to live with?

The very same problem was already discussed here a couple of months ago: https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-11/msg00490.html A bug report has been filed as well back then: https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2017-11/msg00492.html https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387061 Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org