[opensuse-factory] Do we push information about major upgrades?
Hi, I'm trying to figure out what to do for https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=609433 This bug is about the preferences in gnome-packagekit, where there's an option to check for major upgrades (ie, upgrades from 11.2 to 11.3). Thanks to Michael, I now know that this works by parsing some file in /etc/products.d/ and that we could advertise such upgrades by releasing an update to the openSUSE-release package. Now, I wonder: is this something we are doing? Ie, will we release a new openSUSE-release package for 11.2 to tell users about the 11.3 release? (and then for 11.3 to tell about 11.3+1?) Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Torsdag den 3. juni 2010 19:09:28 skrev Vincent Untz:
I'm trying to figure out what to do for https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=609433 This bug is about the preferences in gnome-packagekit, where there's an option to check for major upgrades (ie, upgrades from 11.2 to 11.3).
Thanks to Michael, I now know that this works by parsing some file in /etc/products.d/ and that we could advertise such upgrades by releasing an update to the openSUSE-release package.
Now, I wonder: is this something we are doing? Ie, will we release a new openSUSE-release package for 11.2 to tell users about the 11.3 release? (and then for 11.3 to tell about 11.3+1?)
Does this only affect gnome-packagekit? I guess KUpdateapplet could do the same then, or? I guess there's no half way? I might be pro informing users about the new release. But I'm against pushing them to upgrade under the illusion that it's risk-free or even recommended if they're happy with the existing system. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le jeudi 03 juin 2010, à 21:50 +0200, Martin Schlander a écrit :
Torsdag den 3. juni 2010 19:09:28 skrev Vincent Untz:
I'm trying to figure out what to do for https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=609433 This bug is about the preferences in gnome-packagekit, where there's an option to check for major upgrades (ie, upgrades from 11.2 to 11.3).
Thanks to Michael, I now know that this works by parsing some file in /etc/products.d/ and that we could advertise such upgrades by releasing an update to the openSUSE-release package.
Now, I wonder: is this something we are doing? Ie, will we release a new openSUSE-release package for 11.2 to tell users about the 11.3 release? (and then for 11.3 to tell about 11.3+1?)
Does this only affect gnome-packagekit? I guess KUpdateapplet could do the same then, or?
I have no idea if KUpdateapplet has UI for this. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Il 03/06/2010 22:08, Vincent Untz ha scritto:
Le jeudi 03 juin 2010, à 21:50 +0200, Martin Schlander a écrit :
Torsdag den 3. juni 2010 19:09:28 skrev Vincent Untz:
I'm trying to figure out what to do for https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=609433 This bug is about the preferences in gnome-packagekit, where there's an option to check for major upgrades (ie, upgrades from 11.2 to 11.3).
Thanks to Michael, I now know that this works by parsing some file in /etc/products.d/ and that we could advertise such upgrades by releasing an update to the openSUSE-release package.
Now, I wonder: is this something we are doing? Ie, will we release a new openSUSE-release package for 11.2 to tell users about the 11.3 release? (and then for 11.3 to tell about 11.3+1?)
Does this only affect gnome-packagekit? I guess KUpdateapplet could do the same then, or?
I have no idea if KUpdateapplet has UI for this.
Vincent
what we really miss is that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades#Network%20Upgrade%20for%20U... that thing (the perfectly works) just show the new distro version is available, but upgrade to the distro is not mandatory. if the user doesn't accept the distro upgrade, the updates will still be installed for the OS version they have... i don't know if that can be done on suse (i would love it), for sure, it's possible without big problems if users use ONLY oss, non-oss, and updates repo. but you have to agree with me, that our "repository structure" is not that good as ubuntu one. them infact, just need universe, multiverse and "restricted" to have more packages (including restricted ones like codecs) than we have with oss, non-oss, updates and packman. in other words, i think, the major problem that suse needs to solve to be able to provide that kind of "distro upgrade" without trouble is to get rid of packman, or just work with packman packagers, or even create an official repo, that will allow the users to be safe. actually i bet that ANY suse user use packman repo, but i cannot bet that any packman package is problem less... Andrea - -- - ------------------------------------------ Andrea Florio QSI International School of Brindisi Sys Admin CISCO CCNA Certified openSUSE-Education Administrator openSUSE Official Member (anubisg1) Email: andrea@opensuse.org Packman Packaging Team Email: andrea@links2linux.de Web: http://packman.links2linux.org/ Cell: +39-328-7365667 - ------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkwIHEYACgkQyCZT87TFPuh7ywCg1OYfn27baIhc4slU98rTIn27 dfkAnR0YtYm4hMuh0/R1l/y5PnGJYNd5 =w8ia -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Jun 3, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Andrea Florio
actually i bet that ANY suse user use packman repo, but i cannot bet that any packman package is problem less...
Andrea
Ahem. I, for one openSUSE User, use Fluendo's codecs, not packman's. - James Mason, 'bear454' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 03/06/10 22:19, Andrea Florio wrote:
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Il 03/06/2010 22:08, Vincent Untz ha scritto:
Le jeudi 03 juin 2010, à 21:50 +0200, Martin Schlander a écrit :
Torsdag den 3. juni 2010 19:09:28 skrev Vincent Untz:
I'm trying to figure out what to do for https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=609433 This bug is about the preferences in gnome-packagekit, where there's an option to check for major upgrades (ie, upgrades from 11.2 to 11.3).
Thanks to Michael, I now know that this works by parsing some file in /etc/products.d/ and that we could advertise such upgrades by releasing an update to the openSUSE-release package.
Now, I wonder: is this something we are doing? Ie, will we release a new openSUSE-release package for 11.2 to tell users about the 11.3 release? (and then for 11.3 to tell about 11.3+1?)
Does this only affect gnome-packagekit? I guess KUpdateapplet could do the same then, or?
I have no idea if KUpdateapplet has UI for this.
Vincent
what we really miss is that:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades#Network%20Upgrade%20for%20U...
that thing (the perfectly works) just show the new distro version is available, but upgrade to the distro is not mandatory.
if the user doesn't accept the distro upgrade, the updates will still be installed for the OS version they have...
i don't know if that can be done on suse (i would love it), for sure, it's possible without big problems if users use ONLY oss, non-oss, and updates repo.
but you have to agree with me, that our "repository structure" is not that good as ubuntu one. them infact, just need universe, multiverse and "restricted" to have more packages (including restricted ones like codecs) than we have with oss, non-oss, updates and packman.
in other words, i think, the major problem that suse needs to solve to be able to provide that kind of "distro upgrade" without trouble is to get rid of packman, or just work with packman packagers, or even create an official repo, that will allow the users to be safe.
actually i bet that ANY suse user use packman repo, but i cannot bet that any packman package is problem less...
Andrea
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I posted the error below to another group after reading how to add the repository from the URL above and it's "Ignored" - plus kernels that build and boot on openSUSE fail to boot on Ubuntu. Being able to select which kernel to boot is another problem as all the docs mention pressing ESC as you boot, but it's actually the SHIFT key. The docs mention "mkinitrd" which doesn't exist, I guess it's now "mkinitramfs". ------------------------------------------------------------------- I added the repository - 10.04 LTS. Any idea how to fix the Ignore? # apt-get update Get: 1 http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid Release.gpg [307B] Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net/gwibber-daily/ppa/ubuntu/ lucid/main Translation-en_GB ------------------------------------------------------------------- Some things in Ubuntu are not all as plain sailing nor as well documented as they are on openSUSE. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Torsdag den 3. juni 2010 23:19:03 skrev Andrea Florio:
what we really miss is that:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades#Network%20Upgrade%20for%20 Ubuntu%20Desktops%20%28Recommended%29
that thing (the perfectly works) just show the new distro version is available, but upgrade to the distro is not mandatory.
I'm not sure it's working so perfectly - at least I see a lot of complaints in a Danish forum and in the lug from users with upgraded Ubuntu systems. People who were perfectly happy with their old system - but then upgraded without any testing or second thought, because it was "pushed" on them. And if it's done I think there should be some sort of "warning" about the magnitude and risk of the operation. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 04/06/10 07:14, Martin Schlander wrote:
Torsdag den 3. juni 2010 23:19:03 skrev Andrea Florio:
what we really miss is that:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades#Network%20Upgrade%20for%20 Ubuntu%20Desktops%20%28Recommended%29
that thing (the perfectly works) just show the new distro version is available, but upgrade to the distro is not mandatory.
I'm not sure it's working so perfectly - at least I see a lot of complaints in a Danish forum and in the lug from users with upgraded Ubuntu systems. People who were perfectly happy with their old system - but then upgraded without any testing or second thought, because it was "pushed" on them.
And if it's done I think there should be some sort of "warning" about the magnitude and risk of the operation.
I see a number of problems reported in the forum also. In my case I upgraded without problems from 9.10 to 10.04. I think we get a similar set of reports on openSUSE upgrades also, again I've done successive successful upgrades going way back from 11.0 Milestone 1. With openSUSE I find I can easily navigate and alter the system even from the command line in a way that won't work on Ubuntu. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Vincent Untz wrote:
Now, I wonder: is this something we are doing? Ie, will we release a new openSUSE-release package for 11.2 to tell users about the 11.3 release? (and then for 11.3 to tell about 11.3+1?)
My question is a slight variation of yours: is this something we want to do? And I think offering this as an option is a good idea. (And as a next step thinking on how to make this smoother with packman et al in the future.) Gerald -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer gp@novell.com | SUSE Linux Products GmbH Director Product Management | HRB 16746 (AG Nuremberg) SUSE Linux Enterprise, openSUSE, Appliances | GF Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le vendredi 04 juin 2010, à 00:25 +0200, Gerald Pfeifer a écrit :
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Vincent Untz wrote:
Now, I wonder: is this something we are doing? Ie, will we release a new openSUSE-release package for 11.2 to tell users about the 11.3 release? (and then for 11.3 to tell about 11.3+1?)
My question is a slight variation of yours: is this something we want to do?
I would think that yes, we want to do this. But if we don't, then that's okay -- just means that I have to fix the UI :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le vendredi 04 juin 2010, à 14:28 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Le vendredi 04 juin 2010, à 00:25 +0200, Gerald Pfeifer a écrit :
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Vincent Untz wrote:
Now, I wonder: is this something we are doing? Ie, will we release a new openSUSE-release package for 11.2 to tell users about the 11.3 release? (and then for 11.3 to tell about 11.3+1?)
My question is a slight variation of yours: is this something we want to do?
I would think that yes, we want to do this. But if we don't, then that's okay -- just means that I have to fix the UI :-)
So, hrm, does anybody know if we are updating openSUSE-release on stable distros to announced new versions of openSUSE? I just need a yes or a no to fix my bug :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:33:36AM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le vendredi 04 juin 2010, à 14:28 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Le vendredi 04 juin 2010, à 00:25 +0200, Gerald Pfeifer a écrit :
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Vincent Untz wrote:
Now, I wonder: is this something we are doing? Ie, will we release a new openSUSE-release package for 11.2 to tell users about the 11.3 release? (and then for 11.3 to tell about 11.3+1?)
My question is a slight variation of yours: is this something we want to do?
I would think that yes, we want to do this. But if we don't, then that's okay -- just means that I have to fix the UI :-)
So, hrm, does anybody know if we are updating openSUSE-release on stable distros to announced new versions of openSUSE?
No.
I just need a yes or a no to fix my bug :-)
CIao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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