[opensuse-factory] Low-vision accessibility
Dear openSUSE community, As part of our next development sprint, YaST team will work to improve the installer support for low-vision accessibility. There's an interesting bug report[1] by Bryen Yunashko that you should read. As described in the bug report, the hotkey for switching to inverted mode in Qt does not work anymore and using the ncurses version adding some options to the boot prompt is not user-friendly. Our plan is trying to implement some simple solution and ask for feedback. But, as starting point, we would like to know you opinion. Adding a new option to the boot menu would be enough as a first step? Of course, we should check if the Shift+F4 option can be brought back. By the way, what things should we have into account? Please, feel free to add your opinion in this matter. Thanks in advance! Regards, Imobach [1] https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=780621 -- Imobach González Sosa YaST team at SUSE LINUX GmbH Blog: https://imobachgs.github.io/ Twitter: @imobachgs
On jeudi, 29 septembre 2016 16.39:57 h CEST Imobach Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
Dear openSUSE community,
As part of our next development sprint, YaST team will work to improve the installer support for low-vision accessibility. There's an interesting bug report[1] by Bryen Yunashko that you should read.
Many thanks to taking care of this part of our user community. My best wishes, and I'm looking forward to the result. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch Bareos Partner, openSUSE Member, fsfe fellowship GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
as a general comment, using a dark theme on tumbleweed i see a lot of
dark red on a black background in CLI etc. This is unreadable for the
most common red-green color blindness.
On 29 September 2016 at 20:48, Bruno Friedmann
On jeudi, 29 septembre 2016 16.39:57 h CEST Imobach Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
Dear openSUSE community,
As part of our next development sprint, YaST team will work to improve the installer support for low-vision accessibility. There's an interesting bug report[1] by Bryen Yunashko that you should read.
Many thanks to taking care of this part of our user community.
My best wishes, and I'm looking forward to the result.
--
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On 4.10.2016 11:12, nicholas cunliffe wrote:
as a general comment, using a dark theme on tumbleweed i see a lot of dark red on a black background in CLI etc. This is unreadable for the most common red-green color blindness.
Thanks for your feedback. Although Imo rather asked for feedback specific for the Installer, we should forward this message to those, who define the running system (KDE, GNOME, ...). But frankly, I don't know who it is. Thanks Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Systems Management (Yast) Team Leader SLE Department, SUSE Linux Sent from my openSUSE Tumbleweed https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/05/2016 06:12 PM, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
On 4.10.2016 11:12, nicholas cunliffe wrote:
as a general comment, using a dark theme on tumbleweed i see a lot of dark red on a black background in CLI etc. This is unreadable for the most common red-green color blindness.
Thanks for your feedback. Although Imo rather asked for feedback specific for the Installer, we should forward this message to those, who define the running system (KDE, GNOME, ...). But frankly, I don't know who it is.
Thanks Lukas
Most of the more configurable terminal emulators have settings that allow this to be easily changed, so its far less of a issue then say the installer where the user has no ability to customise the colors of anything. To that point a guide in a wiki showing how to set these config files up may be a better option. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adeliade Australia, UTC+9:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
agree in principle, and this is not the focus of the thread... but
from trail and error it appears most editors etc do use kde default
configs, they are a pain to start screwing around with for the
uninitiated, and there should in general be more awareness over color
design choices.
On 5 October 2016 at 10:37, Simon Lees
On 10/05/2016 06:12 PM, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
On 4.10.2016 11:12, nicholas cunliffe wrote:
as a general comment, using a dark theme on tumbleweed i see a lot of dark red on a black background in CLI etc. This is unreadable for the most common red-green color blindness.
Thanks for your feedback. Although Imo rather asked for feedback specific for the Installer, we should forward this message to those, who define the running system (KDE, GNOME, ...). But frankly, I don't know who it is.
Thanks Lukas
Most of the more configurable terminal emulators have settings that allow this to be easily changed, so its far less of a issue then say the installer where the user has no ability to customise the colors of anything. To that point a guide in a wiki showing how to set these config files up may be a better option.
--
Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net
Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adeliade Australia, UTC+9:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
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On 5.10.2016 11:02, nicholas cunliffe wrote:
agree in principle, and this is not the focus of the thread... but from trail and error it appears most editors etc do use kde default configs, they are a pain to start screwing around with for the uninitiated, and there should in general be more awareness over color design choices.
OK, makes sense. Then we might start summarizing "what exactly" we need to do to switch an installed system into something better-accessible for low-vision people. A simple, but clever script, maintained by some new project might help. I can't promise that we could maintain all that ourselves - depends on how much changes need to be done. But I can promise, that e.g., when you start Installer with SOME_NEW_OPTION in Linuxrc (or you you select that from menu), Installer would automatically call that script at the end of the installation (or something similar).
Most of the more configurable terminal emulators have settings that allow this to be easily changed, so its far less of a issue then say the installer where the user has no ability to customise the colors of anything. To that point a guide in a wiki showing how to set these config files up may be a better option.
Thanks Simon, I did not think about this before and it's indeed a great idea. Thanks! Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Systems Management (Yast) Team Leader SLE Department, SUSE Linux Sent from my openSUSE Tumbleweed https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/29/2016 05:39 PM, Imobach Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
Dear openSUSE community,
As part of our next development sprint, YaST team will work to improve the installer support for low-vision accessibility. There's an interesting bug report[1] by Bryen Yunashko that you should read.
As described in the bug report, the hotkey for switching to inverted mode in Qt does not work anymore and using the ncurses version adding some options to the boot prompt is not user-friendly.
Our plan is trying to implement some simple solution and ask for feedback. But, as starting point, we would like to know you opinion. Adding a new option to the boot menu would be enough as a first step? Of course, we should check if the Shift+F4 option can be brought back.
By the way, what things should we have into account? Please, feel free to add your opinion in this matter.
Thanks in advance!
Regards, Imobach
Victorhck kindly translated our call for help to Spanish and he got feedback from a person with vision problems[1]. For those who cannot read Spanish, he claims than the two most relevant helpers for him would be: 1. Screen magnifier, with one shortcut to activate it and another one to adjust the size. 2. An installer with speech synthesis, like the one available in Debian, so the user just have to listen and enter numbers to select the different options. Just wanted to make sure that feedback don't get lost. Cheers. [1] https://victorhckinthefreeworld.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/opensuse-accesible-... -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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Simon Lees