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M9.

6 Jan 2007 6 Jan '07

10:46

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, best wishes... After reorganising my hdd, according to the new expectations, i Installed 10.2 from the retail dvd, i got for testing, subject still the same as before... I attached the logs to Bug #230687. Since there was improvement, i decided to stay a while with the zenupdater. It looks good, takes not that much time anymore, but if it stays like this, it is useless. Is it possible, to let it install the updates where the dependencies are fullfilled, and leave those which are unfullfilled? Or is SuSE gonna drop the updater? M9. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFn34aX5/X5X6LpDgRAtHqAKDWMjP/qmIaOKj8n2zlwHk4VPokkgCaAk7L ImkMpzvQeKJ7gRc40PV2Wko= =DwCY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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Marcus Meissner

6 Jan 6 Jan

11:01

On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 11:46:50AM +0100, M9. wrote:

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Hi all, best wishes...

After reorganising my hdd, according to the new expectations, i Installed 10.2 from the retail dvd, i got for testing, subject still the same as before... I attached the logs to Bug #230687.

Since there was improvement, i decided to stay a while with the zenupdater.

It looks good, takes not that much time anymore, but if it stays like this, it is useless.

Is it possible, to let it install the updates where the dependencies are fullfilled, and leave those which are unfullfilled?

Or is SuSE gonna drop the updater?

In your case I suspect you installed a 64bit MozillaFirefox-translations and the 32bit MozillaFirefox and it blows up a bit. I suspect it is just a case the updater does not handle yet. You will likely see the same conflict when using YAST Online Update. I have asked for more info in the bugreport. Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

M9.

11:18

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Marcus Meissner schreef:

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On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 11:46:50AM +0100, M9. wrote:

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Hi all, best wishes...

After reorganising my hdd, according to the new expectations, i Installed 10.2 from the retail dvd, i got for testing, subject still the same as before... I attached the logs to Bug #230687.

Since there was improvement, i decided to stay a while with the zenupdater.

It looks good, takes not that much time anymore, but if it stays like this, it is useless.

Is it possible, to let it install the updates where the dependencies are fullfilled, and leave those which are unfullfilled?

Or is SuSE gonna drop the updater?

In your case I suspect you installed a 64bit MozillaFirefox-translations and the 32bit MozillaFirefox and it blows up a bit.

No, the browser is 32bit, and also the translations,i am glad too, because of the lack off 64bit flashplayer-support.

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I suspect it is just a case the updater does not handle yet.

I was not able to update with the factory GM, and now also not with the released version... And i mean all the updates there are now are not going to be installed, by the zen updater.Helas, there is no possibility to copy the list, and i am not going to type the list: 19 updates..

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You will likely see the same conflict when using YAST Online Update.

No i did not, all went allright yesterday, also MS true-type fonts installed ok.

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I have asked for more info in the bugreport.

What more info do you want?

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M9.

12:00

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 M9. schreef:

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Marcus Meissner schreef:

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On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 11:46:50AM +0100, M9. wrote:

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Hi all, best wishes...

After reorganising my hdd, according to the new expectations, i Installed 10.2 from the retail dvd, i got for testing, subject still the same as before... I attached the logs to Bug #230687.

Since there was improvement, i decided to stay a while with the zenupdater.

It looks good, takes not that much time anymore, but if it stays like this, it is useless.

Is it possible, to let it install the updates where the dependencies are fullfilled, and leave those which are unfullfilled?

Or is SuSE gonna drop the updater? In your case I suspect you installed a 64bit MozillaFirefox-translations and the 32bit MozillaFirefox and it blows up a bit.

No, the browser is 32bit, and also the translations,i am glad too, because of the lack off 64bit flashplayer-support.

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I suspect it is just a case the updater does not handle yet.

I was not able to update with the factory GM, and now also not with the released version... And i mean all the updates there are now are not going to be installed, by the zen updater.Helas, there is no possibility to copy the list, and i am not going to type the list: 19 updates..

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You will likely see the same conflict when using YAST Online Update.

No i did not, all went allright yesterday, also MS true-type fonts installed ok.

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I have asked for more info in the bugreport.

What more info do you want?

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Ciao, Marcus

I tried again, the only problem was libgpod: no installable providers of python < 2.5 for libgpod-0.4.0-14.pm.0.x86_64[20070105-155207] Now it nicely asked for to install new packages, to fullfill the dependencies, and to put the retail-dvd in the drive.... It is handeling quite well now, exept for the enormous CPU usage, which causes that no task, other than the upgrade can be performed. I would like to ask if it was possible to grant less cpu usage to it, or share better, or a way to configure it manualy? - ----- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. So, if you want to make any changes? OS: Linux 2.6.18.2-34-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFn49zX5/X5X6LpDgRAhnEAKCRqMpyigEslS9pp7cQFsglB7iUPQCg0sG4 Q+v6GX5au9EZzaZr/h0Le5M= =v9uR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Marcus Meissner

12:08

On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 01:00:52PM +0100, M9. wrote:

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M9. schreef:

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Marcus Meissner schreef:

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On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 11:46:50AM +0100, M9. wrote:

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Hi all, best wishes...

After reorganising my hdd, according to the new expectations, i Installed 10.2 from the retail dvd, i got for testing, subject still the same as before... I attached the logs to Bug #230687.

Since there was improvement, i decided to stay a while with the zenupdater.

It looks good, takes not that much time anymore, but if it stays like this, it is useless.

Is it possible, to let it install the updates where the dependencies are fullfilled, and leave those which are unfullfilled?

Or is SuSE gonna drop the updater? In your case I suspect you installed a 64bit MozillaFirefox-translations and the 32bit MozillaFirefox and it blows up a bit.

No, the browser is 32bit, and also the translations,i am glad too, because of the lack off 64bit flashplayer-support.

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I suspect it is just a case the updater does not handle yet.

I was not able to update with the factory GM, and now also not with the released version... And i mean all the updates there are now are not going to be installed, by the zen updater.Helas, there is no possibility to copy the list, and i am not going to type the list: 19 updates..

...
You will likely see the same conflict when using YAST Online Update.

No i did not, all went allright yesterday, also MS true-type fonts installed ok.

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I have asked for more info in the bugreport.

What more info do you want?

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Ciao, Marcus

I tried again, the only problem was libgpod: no installable providers of python < 2.5 for libgpod-0.4.0-14.pm.0.x86_64[20070105-155207]

Now it nicely asked for to install new packages, to fullfill the dependencies, and to put the retail-dvd in the drive.... It is handeling quite well now, exept for the enormous CPU usage, which causes that no task, other than the upgrade can be performed.

This package is from Packman. Contact them. Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

M9.

16:38

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Marcus Meissner schreef:

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I tried again, the only problem was libgpod: no installable providers of python < 2.5 for libgpod-0.4.0-14.pm.0.x86_64[20070105-155207]

Now it nicely asked for to install new packages, to fullfill the dependencies, and to put the retail-dvd in the drive.... It is handeling quite well now, exept for the enormous CPU usage, which causes that no task, other than the upgrade can be performed.

This package is from Packman. Contact them.

Ciao, Marcus

It also seemed that the missing part was on guru, i needed libxine for the mp3's, so packman was in yast, zen synchronised en took packmann in, so that is correct also.. After i added guru the dependency was solved.... :-)

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Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. So, if you want to make any changes? OS: Linux 2.6.18.2-34-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFn9B0X5/X5X6LpDgRAp+AAJ9pamEZ3JJ0QQrEHAn8lL3w8pptuACbB1Mr D4I6zfXjhkoxDBZAbQamxk8= =kZND -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

andreas.hanke＠gmx-topmail.de

7 Jan 7 Jan

06:36

Hi,

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In your case I suspect you installed a 64bit MozillaFirefox-translations and the 32bit MozillaFirefox and it blows up a bit.

No. Mixing MozillaFirefox and MozillaFirefox-translations of different architectures is perfectly valid from the dependency point of view and cannot be the reason for this breakage because the dependency between the two packages is implemented in such a way that the depsolver completely ignores the architecture difference. MozillaFirefox-translations requires MozillaFirefox of any architecture, provided by MozillaFirefox of any architecture. There is no difference between i586+i586, i586+x86_64, x86_64+i586 and x86_64+x86_64 dependency-wise.

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I suspect it is just a case the updater does not handle yet.

Sorry, this is a real bug and a damn serious one. It happens whenever a package uses Provides+Obsoletes and is available in a "better" architecture than the currently installed one. MozillaFirefox.x86_64 obsoletes MozillaFirebird of any architecture, provided by MozillaFirefox.i586. Therefore, MozillaFirefox.x86_64 is technically a newer version of MozillaFirefox.i586 and the architecture difference is completely ignored. The result is that the depsolver tries to install two architectures of MozillaFirefox. i586 because that's the direct update to the regularly installed package and x86_64 because that's also an upgrade via Provides+Obsoletes MozillaFirebird. This will of course fail. MozillaFirefox.x86_64 has to disappear from the update repository. Unfortunately it's there since 2 weeks already, making it a bit difficult to resolve now because users might have already installed it via other tools or manually. Andreas Hanke -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Robert Schiele

07:19

On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 07:36:13AM +0100, andreas.hanke@gmx-topmail.de wrote:

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MozillaFirefox.x86_64 has to disappear from the update repository. Unfortunately it's there since 2 weeks already, making it a bit difficult to resolve now because users might have already installed it via other tools or manually.

Huh? And how do you expect people that have the 64bit Firefox from the installation get their security update then? Robert -- Robert Schiele Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:rschiele@gmail.com "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."

Andreas Hanke

9 Jan 9 Jan

01:57

Robert Schiele schrieb:

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Huh? And how do you expect people that have the 64bit Firefox from the installation get their security update then?

That doesn't really matter after having it offered for more than 2 weeks, by now most x86_64 users have been upgraded to MozillaFirefox.x86_64 anyways, so this question is obsolete now. There is already a notable increase in complaints about no longer working plugins. And there's definitely something seriously wrong in zypp about biarch updates, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=232413 for another case. The "zypp smoothly updates biarch packages without changing the architecture" thing simply doesn't work. In doubt, it doesn't update anything at all. Andreas Hanke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Dominique Leuenberger

07:19

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On 09-01-2007 at 03:57, Andreas Hanke wrote: Robert Schiele schrieb: Huh? And how do you expect people that have the 64bit Firefox from the installation get their security update then?

That doesn't really matter after having it offered for more than 2 weeks, by now most x86_64 users have been upgraded to MozillaFirefox.x86_64 anyways, so this question is obsolete now.

I have a Mozilla Firefox 64bit edition installed on my Box and the flash plugin works great in there (flash is known to exist only as 32bit). I have the nspluginwrapper installed (from repos.opensuse.org/mozilla) and this works just great. So a 64bit Firefox and a 32bit flash plugin. Regards, Dominique --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Andreas Hanke

07:37

Dominique Leuenberger schrieb:

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I have a Mozilla Firefox 64bit edition installed on my Box and the flash plugin works great in there (flash is known to exist only as 32bit). I have the nspluginwrapper installed (from repos.opensuse.org/mozilla) and this works just great.

nspluginwrapper is not yet part of the (official) distribution. Distributing MozillaFirefox.x86_64 is not a problem at all, but if so, it should be done *consistently*, i.e. installed by default together with nspluginwrapper. The current situation is different (and illogial). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

M9.

09:01

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Dominique Leuenberger schrieb:

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I have a Mozilla Firefox 64bit edition installed on my Box and the flash plugin works great in there (flash is known to exist only as 32bit). I have the nspluginwrapper installed (from repos.opensuse.org/mozilla) and this works just great.

nspluginwrapper is not yet part of the (official) distribution.

Distributing MozillaFirefox.x86_64 is not a problem at all, but if so, it should be done *consistently*, i.e. installed by default together with nspluginwrapper. The current situation is different (and illogial).

I agree, i tried ndiswrapper, but it did not work. Looking in al kind of forums, it seemed that it not allways works, and at that time, it was not clear why. I do not know if it now will work everywhere, but if it does, it should be installed by default, because adobe is not going to create a 64bit version. They clearly stated that, when i asked for it. So i am also again using the 32bit version, which causes no problems at all, (both workarounds, but i would prefer a default installed, and working, ndiswrapper) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. So, if you want to make any changes? OS: Linux 2.6.18.2-34-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFo1noX5/X5X6LpDgRAufvAKDbJQ58wlGm/fVNLbGuGCDiRV9EGQCgrnJ/ lXiT0aoO1CwMi0DXuZKNO/Y= =/Hcy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Marcus Meissner

07:28

On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 02:57:20AM +0100, Andreas Hanke wrote:

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Robert Schiele schrieb:

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Huh? And how do you expect people that have the 64bit Firefox from the installation get their security update then?

That doesn't really matter after having it offered for more than 2 weeks, by now most x86_64 users have been upgraded to MozillaFirefox.x86_64 anyways, so this question is obsolete now.

No, my Firefox is still 32bit, however using Yast Online Update.

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There is already a notable increase in complaints about no longer working plugins. And there's definitely something seriously wrong in zypp about biarch updates, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=232413 for another case.

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The "zypp smoothly updates biarch packages without changing the architecture" thing simply doesn't work. In doubt, it doesn't update anything at all.

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Klaus Kaempf

09:23

* Marcus Meissner [Jan 09. 2007 08:29]:

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On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 02:57:20AM +0100, Andreas Hanke wrote:

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Robert Schiele schrieb:

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Huh? And how do you expect people that have the 64bit Firefox from the installation get their security update then?

That doesn't really matter after having it offered for more than 2 weeks, by now most x86_64 users have been upgraded to MozillaFirefox.x86_64 anyways, so this question is obsolete now.

No, my Firefox is still 32bit, however using Yast Online Update.

Bug 232413 should also happen with YaST. We have to investigate here. Klaus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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