Martin Pluskal wrote:

* You have managed to send message containing factually incorrect statements,

Given the "correct" (or "incorrect") timeframe, almost all messages can be said to contain factually incorrect information. The last time I looked at boot-loader info, the information was on kernel.org (it hadn't been converted to one or more personal repos).

in fact, it seems to me that only think that is not false in your message is that you are using lilo - thus you succesfully discredited yourself, you have proven yourself to be extremely unreliable source of information.

I would agree. Given how fast information is changing, anything known as true yesterday, might be updated today. This was and is a problem of all media being online -- (like kindles or devices using itunes). If some truth changes, content can (on kindles: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html ) and (is) on itunes, autodeleted ("https://apple.slashdot.org/story/16/05/05/159219/apple-stole-my-music-no-ser...") This auto-updating "feature" can be used to "correct" details in stories as well as change pictures or do just about anything. This has been a concern since before it was actually possible. While amazon has set limits on their deleting customer content. We all know how much power corporations have when facing supposed demands concerning various totalitarian laws (zero tolerance/property forfeiture w/proceeds going to police and no court-case necessary; various aspects of the "patriot[sic] act" -- and how they are gagged from even telling us of many of those violations.

I would like to kindly ask you to refrain from spreading misinformations.

Good luck in getting anyone to do so. The 1st requirement is that you know what you know hasn't changed or been updated.

while nobody is blaming here anybody for making honest mistakes (and doing so would definitely not be ok), I actually find it difficult to believe that someone could make so many false statements without any bad intentions - so in other words I am also suspecting that you are deliberately manufacturing falsehood.

Any I steal candy from babies and I want to take over the world too, though any information I have on doing either will be out of date by the time (if ever) I do so. *Usually*, I also give references, like above -- however, giving references on this list is a waste of time, since this is the group that brought SisD in "just to speed up boot" (which it didn't in most cases) and hasn't been brought under any substantial limitations, control regulation or standardization, *that I know of* (I'd love to see a POSIX draft of the current implementation... HA!). Even when sisD web/info-pages recommended booting from disk for speed -- oSuSE didn't even try an implementation, which is odd, as the first recommended selling point was to speed up the boot process (which it does, in limited SSD test cases, but not in larger samples that include "fast" rotating media). Given all the discussions about various topics of what used to be considered good-sw practice -- and is now oft considered the opposite (at least this week). I found that references were ignored and people did whatever they wanted to do -- and some, not able to handle "the truth" (with citations), put me in their "ignore" folder, which I don't mind too much, actually, lowers tedious discussions that take hours to write, but I do mind that doing is only likely to perpetuate their mono-"theistic" viewpoints. *Cheers*, -l -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Jan Engelhardt wrote:

On Tuesday 2016-05-17 03:28, L.A. Walsh wrote:

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Martin Pluskal wrote:

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I would like to kindly ask you to refrain from spreading misinformations. *Usually*, I also give references, like above -- however, giving references on this list is a waste of time, since

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this is the group that brought SisD in "just to speed up boot"

I guess we won't be seeing a reference to _that_ statement either.

Here, let me google that for you: google: opensuse systemd faster replacement systemV boot 2nd open suse article down @ title: sisd: “ boot faster and cleaner with openSUSE 12.1 December 22nd, 2011 by Manu Gupta --- compare to user comments below: 1) kleineaeug @ December 28, 2011 at 05:15: I measured the boot time and there was SisVInit THREE TIMES faster than sisd 1a) Bobby - December 28, 2011 at 15:13 I also have the feeling that SisV with it’s init process was a lot faster than Sisd. I don’t know how that can be possible since the processes start parallel but my system boots a lot slower than it used to with openSuse 11.4. ... more commments down lower about missing 3rd party benchmarks; ...some laptop users saying it is faster [noted -- especially those with SSD's] ... mixed comments about how to debug slow sisD boot times, of which, many are listed... That's from a 1st page google search. I also remember many other discussion - like how a major, slowdown was caused by a logging bottleneck for those not having SSD's. Usually I expect at least minimal goo-fu... And how much time was wasted writing this? vs. How many people will have their minds changed by pointing to references for an early opensuse promo for for sisD being system boot/start time? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 17 May 2016 at 03:28, L.A. Walsh wrote:

Martin Pluskal wrote:

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* You have managed to send message containing factually incorrect statements,

---- Given the "correct" (or "incorrect") timeframe, almost all messages can be said to contain factually incorrect information. https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox The last time I looked at boot-loader info, the information was on kernel.org (it hadn't been converted to one or more personal repos).

I think it is reasonable to expect that posters to this list assume the responsibility to attempt to ensure their posts contain factually correct information at the point of sending. This isn't opensuse-history, what was once true is not necessary beneficial when we are discussing the truths that impact the development of our distributions today.

I would agree. Given how fast information is changing, anything known as true yesterday, might be updated today. This was and is a problem of all media being online -- (like kindles or devices using itunes). If some truth changes, content can (on kindles: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html ) and (is) on itunes, autodeleted ("https://apple.slashdot.org/story/16/05/05/159219/apple-stole-my-music-no-ser...")

This auto-updating "feature" can be used to "correct" details in stories as well as change pictures or do just about anything. This has been a concern since before it was actually possible. While amazon has set limits on their deleting customer content. We all know how much power corporations have when facing supposed demands concerning various totalitarian laws (zero tolerance/property forfeiture w/proceeds going to police and no court-case necessary; various aspects of the "patriot[sic] act" -- and how they are gagged from even telling us of many of those violations.

What does this have to do with lilo development being troubled for years and dead for months? It's not exactly been a fast moving situation, much more like a car crash in slow motion.

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I would like to kindly ask you to refrain from spreading misinformations.

--- Good luck in getting anyone to do so. The 1st requirement is that you know what you know hasn't changed or been updated.

See above - I would advice people check their understanding of facts before asserting them on this list.

Even when sisD web/info-pages recommended booting from disk for speed -- oSuSE didn't even try an implementation, which is odd, as the first recommended selling point was to speed up the boot process (which it does, in limited SSD test cases, but not in larger samples that include "fast" rotating media). Given all the discussions about various topics of what used to be considered good-sw practice -- and is now oft considered the opposite (at least this week). I found that references were ignored and people did whatever they wanted to do -- and some, not able to handle "the truth" (with citations), put me in their "ignore" folder, which I don't mind too much, actually, lowers tedious discussions that take hours to write, but I do mind that doing is only likely to perpetuate their mono-"theistic" viewpoints.

And what does a discussion about systemD this have to do with the removal of an obsolete, unmaintained, bootloader package (lilo)? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org