On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote:
On Thursday 09 March 2006 09:02, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On Thursday, March 09, 2006 at 14:39:38, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 02:36:34PM +0100, Burkhard Carstens wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 9. März 2006 14:02 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
On Thursday, March 09, 2006 at 12:31:08, Burkhard Carstens wrote:
Ahm, zmd.exe? ZenUpdater.exe? You are kidding, right?
Wow. We must do a really good job if everything you have to complain about are file suffixes ;-)
not sure .. currently, yast software installation is broken (again) because libblocxx.so.4 is gone .. Hehe there you go. I knew it! We are not perfect. Damn! ;-) However, once, Borland decided to drop Kylix and went the .net way. That was the point, where I stopped buying Borland products. Now suse is going the .net way and guess what? I won't buy any suse product anymore .. Why would you do that? I understand you dont like .net. What makes you say that "suse is going the .net way"? Because one functionality of a gazillion functionalities in SUSE products is implemented in C#/mono? Yes. Its not just one way either, I could see this becoming a trend. I'm not a fan of mono or .net, and not because of an NIH mentality. I don't like it for many reasons, but one of them is the lack of a qt-sharp (yes there *was* development on this outside the project, but it has been dropped). There are many other reasons listed further down, but I don't like gnome/gtk, and I would prefer to stay as far away from it as possible.
I do see this as a trend that is starting to happen. I love UNIX/Linux because it is UNIX/Linux. I hate the assosiation of extentions with being able to execute them. I do not think it is the NIH mentality. I think it is that Novell is becoming a MS wanta-be. I have always gone for Novell and UNIX/Linux because of the innovation and trends to be imaginative. MS does not invovate they beg, borrow, and destroy. The inovation is in gobling up companies/innovations and destroying them. I look at FOX Base, and other technologies. MS took what they wanted and destroyed the UNIX/Linux base. I love the freedom of choice that has always been with UNIX/Linux. I prefer the open development to closed. I really applauded Novell for is movement to Linux inside the company. I am just afraid that the innovation is going to become that of the MS mentality.
If this move is the beginning of a trend, in combination with the evolution/mono/gnome on the corp desktop general migration to a more gnome & .net focused distro, I will put slack or arch or some such on my systems in a heartbeat.
I can see a standard base but to force us to a mono/.net focus is wrong. It should be independent and a generic library easy to use in any of the desired formats. I am waiting to see if this will become more generic and not mono/gnome/what_ever based. To me that has been the main reason I have been with SUSE so long. This beta of the ZENUpdate and the reprocussions of this switch in what I am begining to feel as philosophy change concerns me. I want the distro based on Open Standards that are set and firm. If they change they change by standards changes. Not dependent on any one company. Like with ODF.
Like Azerion also stated, "exe is related to windows/virus in my mind" and, even worse, it's related to mici-schrott, so .. You must have better reasons to not like something. Otherwise its a rather dull statement that you hate microsoft. I like that from a emotional perspective. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. We against them. Youre my brother in arms. We will overthrow the big evil.
But from a rational point of view its a poor argument to base technical decisions on.
Not really. having an 'exe' goes against the very nature of linux, where any file can be executable, regardless of extension - it merely needs to be set as such.
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I find, in a similar way, the use of a .exe extension as the beginnings of a migration towards a more microsoft-style linux distro. If I wanted that, I'd use linspire. Note that I do not use linspire. Anywhere.
Exactly.
Anyway, what's the point in using .net software? I must admit, that I don't know much about it, because when it popped up, it was called "microsoft.net" which convinced me that it couldn't be good .. The points are layed out at mono-project.com. Do you have to agree with them? No! Do you have to like them? No! Do you have to support them? No! Do you have to accept that its there and that other people agree, like, support mono? Yes, im sorry, you have to. Its their choice :) Accept it? Sure. However, its kind of offensive to me to be using .net, for patent issues, among being an MS controlled environment. For example, what would happen if MS decides to go after mono? What if later .Net implementations break usage on non-MS OS's?
Anything you can code for .net can be done in C++. C++ is a portable, standardized, and known format - .net can change without anyone's consent.
We need to stop copying complete garbage from MS, and do original items that are better. I'm getting sick of this "it worked for them, lets do the same!" mentality. Linux isn't thriving because it copies functionality, it thrives because of innovative *new* ideas. So ffs, we need to stop copying MS just because MS did it.
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Let Novell/SUSE be great for inovation and imagination not following MS...
Thanks for reading my rant. This is a very charged topic for me!
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Boyd Gerber