On 07/29/2016 04:30 PM, Bo Simonsen wrote:
Ludwig Nussel skrev den 2016-07-28 16:04:
So I wonder if putting LXDE in the spotlight like that still makes sense?
In my opinion it is a bit of lack that openSUSE LEAP does not provide DVD MATE install option, but I assume it is a matter of DVD space. In my optics it seems like there is not a big difference with respect to performance to use MATE or LXDE. And MATE is gaining a lot of popularity. For my use case having a 13" laptop with a resolution of 1920x1080 GNOME is pretty useless, since textscaling above 1.33 makes stuff look wierd (the windows does not scale due to HiDPI scaling support is only integer wise 1,2,3..) so the only DE that will work for me is KDE (my prefered), MATE and Enlightenment. This means I only have one install option from the DVD of a usable system. It is fine, but I would rather have some extra GNOME packages removed (it is really a huge selection on the DVD) than leaving out MATE. Just my $0.02.
Mate, Cinnamon, LXQt and Enlightenment are all currently not on the DVD as they are all relatively new in openSUSE this is also something that I think we should address in some way. When there used to be a smaller KDE iso and Smaller Gnome iso as well as the DVD I was considering putting together an "Alternate DE" image as well, but then the kde/gnome images were dropped so were back to square 1. The reason I started using openSUSE was because it treated all desktops equally which makes it an ideal distro for these users, I think we could play to the strength of this better by squeezing some things off the DVD to make room for more desktops. My argument for why desktops are more important then some other things on the DVD: As a developer its nice being able to install all the various "Dev tool" patterns as part of the install but at the same time If I want to get my machine setup faster rather then installing the patterns from the installer I'll wait till my desktop is installed and usable then install the extra software I need which isn't exactly hard to do. On the other hand if I have a DVD and I want to install a different desktop say enlightenment or mate. I have to first pick a Desktop that I will probably never use again install that boot into it for the first time then install the desktop I actually want swap into that then figure out seen as there is no way to uninstall a pattern (you'd be amazed how many people ask about that on #suse on freenode), I just live with the fact I can't easily get rid of the software i'm never going to use again and get on with now using my system after much hassle. So I think its time we talked about what should or shouldn't be on the DVD I don't think theres been a good discussion in atleast the 5 years i've been paying attention. If its important we have all the software we currently have available on a DVD maybe its time we thought about shipping a second DVD containing all the stuff that can still easily be installed post installation like devel tools or given that 8GB flash drives can be purchased here for the equivalent of $5 US maybe we should ship a larger image as well (I don't remember the last time I used a physical DVD to install something). If we decide to do any one of these things i'm happy to volunteer to do some of the work. Cheers -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adeliade Australia, UTC+9:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B