On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 09:35:10AM -0400, Robert Schweikert wrote:
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On 08/14/2014 09:01 AM, Tomas Cech wrote:
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 02:06:59PM +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 14.08.2014 10:53, Tomas Cech wrote:
The poll was meant for simple quantifying the voices here to get the idea, what do we want.
I hope you realize that you make people think, that by casting their vote, something will happen....
What do you expect to change by the clicking to poll besides expressing opinion?
Well depending on the "outcome" of the poll different expectations may arise.
Agreed.
For example should the "we need an alternative" question garner a majority or even be a close second, people might get the expectation that "someone" will implement this alternative.
I'm sorry but I don't believe this is the case. Result of such vote, if it would be successful and taken seriously would be that "someone" _can_ implement alternative into openSUSE. That there are people interested in having choice and that systemd doesn't have to be always there.
Then everything dies off for a while and then we start again.
I'm not aware that there would be any survey on this topic in the past. I may be wrong though.
But the bottom line is really quite simple. If an alternative is needed do the work to make it possible and then show everyone. This work will include not only distribution work, but also convincing people in upstream projects that the code should handle multiple init systems and participating in those communities to maintain that code. If enough people like the alternative they will start to contribute to the effort.
If we want to contribute, we need to show that there is group of people interested in that. If we can show that, we can try to convince people to accept our modifications to packages. No, I don't want to fork, maintain and build openSUSE clone.
Another option is of course to get involved in the systemd project and make commits there to shape it. To this people state that Kay and Lennard are evil incarnate and will not accept their patches. Well currently the number of contributors to systemd in github stands at 322. Thus it appears that patches do get accepted from a number of contributors. Of course the project has their philosophy and their acceptance criteria, that's no different than the kernel, glibc, gcc, you name it.
No, I would not start coding for KDE just because someone influential have had made it the only desktop choice in openSUSE. I would not even start to use it. Please, stop offering me participation in that project. That is not the point here. Best regards and more positive thoughts, Tomas S_W