On 2011/11/09 07:52 (GMT+0100) Stefan Seyfried composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
What guidelines? Where is it written that if I want X installed I have to have a GUI running before X is running? I've yet to encounter a GUI
You don't have to. You can get perfectly splash free boot without uninstalling gfxboot and bootsplash.
Sure, but the ecological conservatism I practice demands unnecessary stuff not be installed. Until I try, I don't know it won't work, for me, or for others practicing similar philosophies.
The problem is, that by blocking those packages, through the mechanism of package dependencies, you are blocking much more, necessary packages and those make your system fail.
IMO the packagers are setting deps in too many cases where they should be suggests, but until I try tabooing unwanted packages to force "breakage" I can't tell which are which.
Now reducing those package dependencies might be a worthwile goal. But it is a lot of work. And the strange bugs coming from missing packages are hard to fix. I know, because I always update my systems with the "--no-recommends" switch and later find, that I'm actually missing the new features, simply because the package was just recommended and not strictly necessary. But I do not blame the developers or packagers, because I got what I asked for. Especially it is a lot of work to save a few MB of disk space - nothing else. I am not going to help with that.
For Factory, which is where most of my installation and update time and effort go, it's more than a few, since unused/unwanted packages also eat download bandwidth and update time unnecessarily in addition to the "few MB of disk space".
init process that's appealing, much less usable. They all either use too little of the available space, or use low contrast, or tiny text (or no text),
Holy crap. Just use "CONSOLE_FONT=ter-v32n.psfu" and I get nice 80x25 on my 1280x800 native screen. Even better readable than "vga=0" ugly scaled fonts.
Which tool facilitates such a specification? How's anyone supposed to know which of those arcane font specifications is suitable for a particular purpose, more to the point, which achieves how many rows & columns at any particular resolution so as to predict a suitable size for a given display size?
or most of the above and/or other problems that don't come to mind ATM. I insist on seeing as much as possible of what's going on during init, nice and legible, un-obfuscated by splashes of sickly colors[1]. Is that really too much to ask of any distro?
And why would you need to uninstall bootsplash to achieve that?
That which?
anyway, the dependencies of *splash* are pretty minimal and it is easy to uninstall them. Your problem was probably, that by tabooing them and later wrongly resolving the package dependencies, you missed much more than just the splash and branding packages.
If I would have wanted to do what you did, I would simply first have selected all the -branding-upstream and then deselected the -branding-openSUSE packages and I'm pretty sure no single dependency problem would have popped up.
ISTR that's what I usually do, but apparently it only works with a net install, as the upstream brandings are apparently excluded from the RC2 DVD I used for installation this time in order to save some bandwidth in installing to a bunch of machines in relative succession. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org