On 23 July 2015 at 10:46, Thomas Langkamp
a) on installation user opt-in to packman-repo => legaly not possible, however one suggestion was not yet commented: "There could be a supplementary screen : * If you live in US click here (open-sources repositories, DMCA ok...). * If you live in UK/Germany/Europe... click here (Packman repository added)
My gut feeling is that this would still walk too close to the line regarding providing patent encumbered software, if not crossing it.
Can we agree that packman is the most important user repo of openSUSE so that it should be treated special?
I'm afraid I cannot. I can agree that Packman is an important repo for providing some patent encumbered packages. I have the highest respect for the work they're doing, but I have strong, often negative, opinions of the general quality of their packages, and therefore I cannot agree to the concept of treating it 'special'. Generally speaking, I trust a package from Packman no more than I would trust a random home: repo on OBS, which isn't very high. The openSUSE Project works hard to only provide tested software of a high quality. If we were to give external projects the kind of special treatment you're suggesting, they would need to at least meet those standards.
c) after adding packman do auto zypper dup or up with vendor change once: PackageKit / Apper cannot handle conflicts and thus is not supported in TW. => solutions: 1) enhance Apper to handle conflicts
Please remember that KDE is not the only desktop environment we have on offer, nor is it the only one that is a good choice for the beginners you are targeting with your efforts.
2) automatizing zypper: noobs cannot use cron, nor command line / yast-gui, nor can they decide between "no / vendor change", "up / dup" => further comments: A users confirmation to install the automatically proposed update is desired, agreed. A password will be needed for new software only, as this is already the way PackageKit/Apper & Win7 (just tested) are doing it from user accounts.
This is already done in GNOME with GNOME Software/PackageKit
d) install recommends only once during installation as default, so that uninstalled apps do not come back => so far +1 for this
For me you had a +1 for this _for servers & advanced users_, but a strong -1 for _desktops for beginners_. If you want a nice noob-friendly desktop, you shouldn't expect a beginner to know they have to install a whole bunch of optional packages, and just give them all to them at all the time. I'd argue that someone who cares about the presence of additional packages they don't need/use is by definition, not a beginner.
e) I would update the whole wiki with the changes
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