Beta2 is much better than 10.1 concerning the speed of the package manager. But as mentioned by other users already it's still far behind debian concerning the speed of fetching metadata. Adding factory as an installation source takes at least 15 minutes with an average DSL connection. The big difference between Suse and Debian/Ubuntu is, that under Suse much more data get's fetched. So you can also search within package-descriptions etc, whereas under Ubuntu you have only package-names and files, but no description e.g. For a more detailed search you need apt-file. I think apt-file is compearable to the actual suse solution. My proposal (for 10.3 etc): Reduce downloaded metadata to package-names and RPM-content. Do not fetch descriptions, etc. Most users know the name of the file/RMP they want to install. An error tolerant search can help finding the right package. For a detailed search do not download metadata but query a server. E.g if im looking for the string "foobar" and content cannot be found in the local metadatafile, Suse should not download further metadata, but contact an official server, which does the search. I do not know, what kind of server we need, if 10 or 100 thousends of clients will start search queries, but I think this may be faster, than fetching so much metadata all the time. I also do not know how many data must be uploaded in order to get this system working, so maybe it's a very bad idea and not realizeable, but perhaps there is a chance. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Hilzinger Linux New Media AG Süskindstr. 4 D-81929 München Tel: +49 (89) 99 34 11 0 Fax: +49 (89) 99 34 11 99 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org