On Wednesday 04 December 2013 08.43:50 C wrote:
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Per Jessen
wrote: Ignacio Areta wrote:
So, ifup only works if you have a desktop with a single wired card
No, it works very well in any of our systems - servers, desktops, laptops, one card, two cards, multi-port cards, wifi, fibre, ptp, vlan etc. I can assure you, if ifup didn't work across the board, you would hear a lot of unhappy people here.
The new users never (rarely) use this mailing list. This mailing list is full of us crufty old farts who have been here forever. New users complain to me.. not the list.
In my case, I have 2 wired cards. In ifup, I only can switch with these card if I restart te system, becauase systemctl restart network.service doesn't work,
Then you ought to blame network.service.
BTW, without knowing the context, you could simply "ifdown eth0" and "ifup eth1" or vice versa.
You can... I can... can a new openSUSE user? Nope. So, instead of making life better for new users and improving openSUSE for new users, we say things like "it's easy just configure your supplicant file" or "why can't you ifup/ifdown" and so on.
There is a discussion over on opensuse-project about why we're not attracting new users... this is a prime example. If we can't see past our own noses here... we will never resolve the issues raised on the project list.
C
Perhaps I should have shut-up my mouth, but I can't why are you sticking on new user case always. I'm mostly interested by having tools that does the job. ip tools ( ifconfig & co are obsolete from a long time now ) have to work, are the perfect solution for any configuration that are not following the grandma paradigm, and there's a lot. Networkmanager has to work (well we wait that from the last 4 years, and 4 rewrite) when it has to be used. Alternative like wicked are not (yet) available to resolve the both case in a new efficient way. Are we perfectible in the way we pick one or other solution? Certainly. But it's not a white or black situation. We're in a sensible area of grays. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org