Hi all, Am 17.01.2013 00:45, schrieb Jiri Slaby:
Hehe, not at all. I bet I was the first one to use systemd in opensuse regularly.
Same here. Maybe not the first one, but in general I consider myself "systemd-friendly" and like the general idea and impelementation.
What I do is complaining and whining here, yes, but not when things change, but when they *break* on a regular basis.
Yes, the problem is the attitue: "we break everything for everyone and have them fix up after us". None of the desktops was really broken wrt. powerbutton and suspendkey handling. Maybe the console was if not configured via acpid, but the desktops all worked. Now they fixed the console case and in the same instant broke all the desktops. The desktops now suddenly need to change the previously working things to accomodate the changes in systemd defaults. That's an attitude that I strongly dislike. So for my packages, the possibility is high that if a systemd update breaks them and makes me hunt for fixes, I'll silently abandon or plain droprequest them because this really takes all the fun out of packaging etc if some guys are actively sabotaging everybody else araound.
Do not take the words he uses in that email. I don't like that kind of insultation either. Take the point instead.
The point is that we do not break stuff. And if we do, we fix ourselves or revert if fixing is infeasible. That's the point.
Exactly. Unfortunately that responsibility for the ecosystem as a whole is apparently completely unknown to the systemd-developers. -- Stefan Seyfried "If your lighter runs out of fluid or flint and stops making fire, and you can't be bothered to figure out about lighter fluid or flint, that is not Zippo's fault." -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org