On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Patrick Shanahan
* Ignacio Areta
[12-03-13 19:45]: So, the question is in the subject. I'd like to understand the motivation behind this choice. In my opinion, NetworkManager should be the default for network setup. The use of ifup doesn't show any advantage: configuration for WiFi is problematic (and sometimes for wired networks too), it increases the startup time and the service doesn't restart properly.
OK, NetworkManager has its problems too, but it's a better solution than this, specially for newbies in this distro.
Yes, for me NetworkManager has major, critical problems. It doesn't work and hasn't since it came out. The *only* way I have network connection is via ifup. And that is on three boxes, one is wireless.
So, does someone have any plans to change this?
I surely hope not!
The ONLY time ifup has worked for me on dozens and dozens of installs is if I had wired NIC. This was the case in the past, but now, none of the systems I work with have wired NIC. With all systems I install now, I have to switch on NetworkManager to get WiFi working right. I have zero network capabilities until that happens. openSUSE does NOT have any network with the ifup default on any system I administer until after it boots, and until after I manually reconfigure it to use NM. I've tried to configure WiFi with ifup (through YaST), but I've had mixed results... mostly fail going that route, and it's needlessly complicated, especially for new users. So.. the scenarios presented with "keep ifup because I'll always have network" are a complete non-starter in 100% of my use cases. I never once have had network with ifup... in systems that have WiFi. I really hate the ifup default... for me it's the biggest PITA with installing openSUSE, and I find my self constantly apologizing to people I assist (users new to openSUSE) with installing. If there was a way to "fix" this on install... allow the user to choose ifup or NM... would that resolve it? C. -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org